Why shoot L10 and which gear?

[DrLove]

So I've never understood why shoot L10. I mean if you have a good limited gun (2011 or even good plastic gun) you'll shoot limited. On the other hand, if you're the 1911 kind of guys, there is single stack there for you. So why do some people shoot L10? Which gear do they use and what is the advantage of doing so? Anyone?

[bigfish]

I think is mostly local shooters in non-restricted states that shoot l-10 so they don't have to compete against quality shooters. look at the Area 3 and 5 matches and how many people shot l-10. Then there are people with single stack guns that might have a modification that isn't single stack legal so they just use it for L-10

[bigfish]

It's obvious why someone would shoot L-10 in restricted states.

[dskinsler83]

So your saying I shoot L10 because I'm afraid to shoot against other "QUALITY" shooters? Yeah I think your statement was a little to broad! I shoot L10 for a couple of reasons. It keeps your mag change strategy close to what Production is and there are a few local prize matches in our area at the end of the season that only allow 10rds per mag. SO IF I WAMT TO KEEP THE SAME TYPE OF PLAN AS IN PRODUCTION BUT SCORE MAJOR I SHOOT L10!

As far as gear. You can go as wild as you want like limited or if you shoot the glock 35 in production just leave it the same as far as bet. Add a magwell ext mags for easier mag changes and add major power factor ammo.

[Sarge]

So your saying I shoot L10 because I'm afraid to shoot against other "QUALITY" shooters? Yeah I think your statement was a little to broad! I shoot L10 for a couple of reasons. It keeps your mag change strategy close to what Production is and there are a few local prize matches in our area at the end of the season that only allow 10rds per mag. SO IF I WAMT TO KEEP THE SAME TYPE OF PLAN AS IN PRODUCTION BUT SCORE MAJOR I SHOOT L10!

As far as gear. You can go as wild as you want like limited or if you shoot the glock 35 in production just leave it the same as far as bet. Add a magwell ext mags for easier mag changes and add major power factor ammo.

While YOUR reason for shooting L10 is admirable, I tend to see people "hiding out" in L10 when the competition is tough in other divisions.

[dskinsler83]

I think that's crap.

[dskinsler83]

But it's cool lol until Obama gets all our rights taken away we are allowed to have opinions :cheeses:

[DrLove]

Here's what I'm thinking. People that like to shoot 45ACP in plastic guns have no option but shooting L10. Their guns would load max 16rnds with all the extensions they can get yet other limited shooters can have 22 and even 23 rounds of 40. This is the only situation I can see L10 making sense really.

[Agney5]

Here's what I'm thinking. People that like to shoot 45ACP in plastic guns have no option but shooting L10. Their guns would load max 16rnds with all the extensions they can get yet other limited shooters can have 22 and even 23 rounds of 40. This is the only situation I can see L10 making sense really.

That is the exact reason why I shot L10. I had the typical attitude of real men shoot 45, so after I got past my ego block and started shooting I quickly realized there is only really one place for my plastic 45 gun to play. Was I hiding out there, no does it happen yes. I often found myself comparing my scores to limited guys just to get a feel for how I was doing. It works out to be a good division for those of us who are new and shoot 45 plastic guns.

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[Nik Habicht]

Here's what I'm thinking. People that like to shoot 45ACP in plastic guns have no option but shooting L10. Their guns would load max 16rnds with all the extensions they can get yet other limited shooters can have 22 and even 23 rounds of 40. This is the only situation I can see L10 making sense really.

There's also some .40 caliber guns that with factory ammo only make sense there.....

As a match director I found it a very useful division to have around, when someone showed up with a gun/ammo combination that wasn't competitive in Limited, or ideal for Production....

[deacon12224]

I shoot L10 for a coupe of reasons. I find that I shoot major loads just as good as i do minor loads. I also find that one of the strongest parts of my game is my reloads. I could shoot in limited, but I like the extra reloads and stage planning that come from 10 round mags. Shooting limited seems almost too easy.

[kneelingatlas]

I bought a Witness Hunter in .45 because I wanted to try a 6" gun, but couldn't find one in 10mm; the 140mm mags only hold 13 rounds so L10 it is.

[gonbzrk]

Why is it that some people can't conceive of the possibility there are shooters that look at the whole concept of reloading during a stage as an added dimension of the game... pretty narrow minded if you ask me. Possibly they just don't have the skill to do it.

[bigfish]

Why is it that some people can't conceive of the possibility there are shooters that look at the whole concept of reloading during a stage as an added dimension of the game... pretty narrow minded if you ask me. Possibly they just don't have the skill to do it.

And that's why I shoot production. For the money of a tricked out limited gun you can buy 2 good production guns.

[lawboy]

As the responses here show, there are many reasons to shoot L10. I started in L10 because I did not have a gun suited for Limited or Production and I wanted the extra two rounds so I could compare myself more easily to the Production shooters. I had not yet caught the SS bug. I used a Les Baer 1911 with McCormack mags and I have a very good time and was able to learn stage break down strategy by watching the production guys who had the same number of shots as I did.

I shot L10 for a year or so, shot Area 2 in L10 in 2011 and have a great time. Later, I used the gun in SS for a year and now I am shooting production. L10 got me into the game with equipment I had and it taught me a lot. To me, that makes it worthwhile.

[Chuck Anderson]

It varies regionally. In some areas SS has very weak representation and L10 has more. In my area Limited is actually pretty weak. L10 offered more competition. Plus it's more fun to beat Open guys shooting L10 than Lim. Given a choice between Lim and L10 I'm going with L10. I'm a Production guy at heart. Stage breakdowns, reloads when I move. I'm used to all of that. Plus I haven't got around to buying whatever Über mag you NEED in Lim right now. What's it up to 22 rounds? More? I load 18 or 19 in mine and call it good.

[blaster113]

Unfortunately for me I live in a 10 round state so we have Open 10 and L10 by default here. When I shoot in majors in the CONUS I dont even bother with L10; its Limited or Open. given a choice most of us in the state would rather shoot in Limited instead of being stuck in L10. those of us that learned the sport with 10 round restrictions are a little more comfortable shooting their first majors in the division they're used to. I for one can't see the point in spending a pile of money and having to endure a 5-6 hour plane ride to shoot in a low-capacity division that I can shoot in at home. also not afraid to mix it up with the so called "better quality shooters" in the big divisions.

I run a Cameron's 6" STI with a full race rig for Limited and L10. Lots of our newer shooters locally went all in and are running SV and STI Limited guns, with a few Glocks, Caspians and 1911s mixed in. Nearly everyone here uses full race rigs also.

Edited August 12, 2013 by blaster113

[Nickoli]

I shot my first match last year in Limited. I didn't have enough mags to shoot production. I classified this year in limited and shot a local match yesterday and placed 2nd in limited. I have improved my shooting and i am going to start shooting L10. I dont like the fact that there are less shooters in L10 but I want to use that class to practice reloads and plan out stages to help with my 3gun game.

I don't believe my gun or gear would work in production otherwise I would most likely shoot that since about 80% of the shooters seem to prefer that class at that particular club.

[motosapiens]

So your saying I shoot L10 because I'm afraid to shoot against other "QUALITY" shooters? Yeah I think your statement was a little to broad! I shoot L10 for a couple of reasons. It keeps your mag change strategy close to what Production is and there are a few local prize matches in our area at the end of the season that only allow 10rds per mag. SO IF I WAMT TO KEEP THE SAME TYPE OF PLAN AS IN PRODUCTION BUT SCORE MAJOR I SHOOT L10!

As far as gear. You can go as wild as you want like limited or if you shoot the glock 35 in production just leave it the same as far as bet. Add a magwell ext mags for easier mag changes and add major power factor ammo.

While YOUR reason for shooting L10 is admirable, I tend to see people "hiding out" in L10 when the competition is tough in other divisions.

At our matches they post the overall scores, so instead of hiding out, we get ranked against the guys shooting Limited and Open, but we have to make more mag changes.

I'm currently shooting L10 because singlestack and production nationals were not convenient for me, but I got a slot into L10 nationals and I own a couple guns that work well for the division (1911 and cz75 in .40). I normally shoot production, so L10 allows me to use the same stage planning, and to watch and learn from the good production shooters as well.

At local matches there aren't many people shooting L10, but I don't really care because I always look at the overall scores anyway, and just try to improve, and increase my percentage of the top shooter's scores.

[UFO]

I disagree with the comment "Hiding Out", I live in the Socialist Republic of California and didn't have much of a choice. I have always been a customize it kinda guy, so L10 was the ticket. If I'm ever able to find some HiCaps, I'll happily make the jump to Limited. At my local club, we always have between 6 - 10 guys in L10 and I've been able to move from the bottom to one of the top 4 in the group in just 6 matches, and when comparing my scores to the guys in Limited, I would still score in the mid-pack.

[frag316]

Here's what I'm thinking. People that like to shoot 45ACP in plastic guns have no option but shooting L10. Their guns would load max 16rnds with all the extensions they can get yet other limited shooters can have 22 and even 23 rounds of 40. This is the only situation I can see L10 making sense really.

I think Mike Voight brought this up at a BoD meeting a few years ago, after Single Stack became an official division. He argued there was no longer a place for L10.

I disagree--first, many USPSA shooters live in rights-restricted states, so Limited isn't an option. They don't want to shoot Production or Single Stack, mostly because of the restrictions. L10 makes sense there.

Second, SS rules don't allow bull barrels, unless the barrel is 4.25" or shorter. I own a 1911 with a bull barrel (it's my carry gun). If I want to shoot it in a match for fun, I have to shoot Limited with it. L10 makes sense there.

Third, SS rules are restrictive on gear placement. If I have an SS gun, but want to decide whether to make the jump to Limited, I can shoot my current gun with a different holster and just modify where my current gear is located. It's cheaper for the shooter.

Fourth, say you have someone, like a child, who's just getting into the sport and doesn't know which division they want to shoot. They could borrow a setup and shoot SS at one match, then L10 at another to decide what they like. If they like L10 and decide they want to shoot Limited, then you can make an informed purchase.

Finally, some people just like a change of pace. I have some 10 round mags and can shoot in either L10 or SS. Maybe I like the idea of doing a stage breakdown like the Production guys, instead of being two rounds down. Maybe I just want to get out of a rut. Maybe I just feel like it because it's Saturday and not Sunday.

All that to say, it's not readily apparent what place L10 has in USPSA without really thinking about it. Some people say it's a "hider division" for major matches, and I've seen some guys who shoot major matches in those divisions when they have the equipment to shoot in others and would be competitive, but not sure winners, in those divisions. But I know other guys who just like to shoot L10 because they're invested in certain types of equipment and don't want to lay out another $2500+ for a Limited gun, then buy mags, etc.

I have an L10 classification from way back before SS became an official division, but I haven't shot L10 in years.

[blaster113]

I've shot a few majors in L10 before I decided to stick with Limited when shooting in the CONUS. I can't think of a single shooter I met who was "hiding out" in L10. One very good L10 shooter I know lives in California so he's in the same boat as me. Also shot with some of our Canadian friends from north of the border who are stuck with a 10 round rule like us here in Hawaii. So if there are a few sandbaggers in L10 they are a small minority.

[HI5-O]

I can see where a Ltd shooter would say, compete in the Limited Nationals then shoot in the L-10/Open Nationals back-to-back. They can use the same gear and just download their mags.

As for those "hiding out" in L-10, the pool is small (as well as the prize table ) so it's mostly for bragging rights I guess.

For me, because the law restricts pistol mags here, I will shoot regular capacity mags in the CONUS major matches (I can/have to shoot with restricted mag capacity at home).

Some shooters can't get more than 10 round mags to shoot in Limited division.

[35WLN]

I have known a few people who were a "B" in limited but a "C" in L-10 or vice versa. Go to a major and shoot their lesser classification to hopefully do better at the prize table, like win the class and walk the table early (I hate USPSA prize tables btw) or bragging rights to their friends.

I originally started shooting limited 10 because I had a SS and 10 round mags. When the hook was set deep and funds allowed I moved to limited and open and haven't looked back.

[Rob01]

I just shot my first USPSA match a couple weeks ago. Have shot 3 gun and IDPA but wanted to shoot more. I had my 3 gun set up(Glock 34) and shot Limited 10 minor because I wanted to practice stage strategy and reloads. I had no idea about how many people shoot Limited 10. Wasn't hiding from anything. Next time out I will bring my 35 and shoot limited major.

I am also picking up a STI this week and because of state law I can't buy any mags over 10 rounds so I am stuck shooting Limited 10 with the STI as I didn't have the mags prior to April 4th.