Racinready300ex Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I find it hard to imagine that his glock is that much different from a home build. When you have the gun built your paying for the smith's experience at assembling that gun and making it run. It should be ready to go when you get it. If you build one and get it working I just can't see there being that huge of a difference. Glocks aren't really that complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Just an FYI for all of you who said KC shoots a production gun in Open. You all make me laugh at the absurdityhttps://d36tc8clsz1tk5.cloudfront.net/adn-uf-01/0b/pa/0v/0bpa0vYD3l6P6Z6TGQ9w5SpgPRqhZ-qlSirqlMVSczc?response-cache-control=public%2C%20max-age%3D7200%2C%20s-maxage%3D172800&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename*%3DUTF-8''Image_from_Riposte_2014-10-13.jpg&Expires=1413226800&Signature=HykWYMnduKpXi-NSnsVSSSjk9Xrz9S9VFmegoZccokAQLX6cmIcsokTi~P6o2Nh3kMCdDrn2tfOMMfuk8MvlOr2o6KYP0kvEiLjV3Zr3w8qTjEXpzKrfy64nvyLyVrff0Drd0Wk3uuIyhhA6NciAdKGnJKm4-TaSFNaSMdbTk0w_&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIWNGPWT6YVKFBWJAI think you missed the context of those posts. One of the early arguments for production optics was, open is to expensive and you can only be competitive with a tricked out 2011, KC and his GLOCKs were brought up to show that that is not entirely true. First of all, the ONLY thing remotely Glock was the frame. Secondly KC's actions today show you that it is true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 If the only thing remotely glock is the frame what did he do to the gun? What parts are so different? How has the operation of the gun been changed. Or are you just talking out of your ass? What sets that gun apart from any other open glock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 If the only thing remotely glock is the frame what did he do to the gun? What parts are so different? How has the operation of the gun been changed. Or are you just talking out of your ass? What sets that gun apart from any other open glock?It was not a Glock slideIt was not a Glock trigger How is that for starters? I posted a pic of his "Glock" Open gun in the thread Go find it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remoandiris Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) So 2 (at least) BOD members don't know the difference between an Open Glock and a PO Glock??? That is friggin sad. Thanks for sharing, zhunter. Edited October 13, 2014 by remoandiris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 But how is the slide different? To me " not remotely glock" Implies pretty major changes. So what's the big change from the factory slide to his for example? How much is one losing staying with the factory slide? I'd bet there is no performance difference at all. I'm not saying his gun is stock, no open gun is. I just don't see why everyone seems to think his glock is so crazy. It's still a glock. But, I get your point. His guns cost a lot, and glocks can't shoot open. We get it, enjoy PO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Speaking of KC's Glock... Looks like it's sitting in the safe for the world shoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Wow. I just looked at his instagram again, and apparently he is leaving team glock. Says "it has beem a great 3 years, but it's time for me to move on." Seems to be mutual, GlockInc commented and said "good luck!" Okay enough extreme thread drift... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric4069 Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Looks like BOD rejected Production Optics. ... I'm sure there are many here who are thrilled with this news but to me its indicative of a lack of vision. Just got back to town after a trip and saw this. Sad news for me. Really wanted to get in to PO division, now just discouraged. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Shoot PO anyway. I am sure that at some point this will happen, maybe it will be an 'issue' at next years USPSA Presidential election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I shot open minor yesterday and it was a lot of fun. I did load magazines to capacity instead of only 10. I will probably keep shooting this setup for the next few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Shoot PO anyway. I am sure that at some point this will happen, maybe it will be an 'issue' at next years USPSA Presidential election. If PO is an issue in the presidential election then truly the organization is doomed. I can think of at least half a dozen things that are real issues facing the organization right now. No telling how many that will balloon to in the coming year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Why does staying at the forefront of shooting trends 'doom' the organization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Why does staying at the forefront of shooting trends 'doom' the organization? All I can say is, if I were in the race for a leadership position in USPSA there would be way too many existing things to fix before bringing something else to the table. PO in itself won't doom the organization. Ignoring all the more important problems might though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Why does staying at the forefront of shooting trends 'doom' the organization?All I can say is, if I were in the race for a leadership position in USPSA there would be way too many existing things to fix before bringing something else to the table. PO in itself won't doom the organization. Ignoring all the more important problems might though.That, I believe, is hitting the nail absolutely directly on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 This Horse has been beat to death. Let this thread die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1gcountry Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Why does staying at the forefront of shooting trends 'doom' the organization?All I can say is, if I were in the race for a leadership position in USPSA there would be way too many existing things to fix before bringing something else to the table. PO in itself won't doom the organization. Ignoring all the more important problems might though.I am new to the sport. What things need to be fixed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Why does staying at the forefront of shooting trends 'doom' the organization?All I can say is, if I were in the race for a leadership position in USPSA there would be way too many existing things to fix before bringing something else to the table. PO in itself won't doom the organization. Ignoring all the more important problems might though.I am new to the sport. What things need to be fixed? Kim needs to find $144,000 worth of receipts PO will be a topic for the election tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Why does staying at the forefront of shooting trends 'doom' the organization? Until I see significant numbers of people shooting PO guns at steel matches and at our local uspsa matches (where I've already offered to score them separately), I think creating a new division is *way* too far out in front of the forefront. Nonetheless, I Urge all 15 of you to band together and vote for a candidate who agrees with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 +1 It's time to stop beating this, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPSS Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 We should learn how to read timers 1st Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES13Raven Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) Will be interesting to see who take's the ball and runs with it if it won't be USPSA. IDPA It just happened. IDPA is asking members to decide: Option 1: Compact Carry Pistol (CCP) – this would be for double action or single action guns. This division would be largely like SSP otherwise but the gun size would be limited to guns of M&P compact or Glock 19 size. Option 2: Laser and Optic Pistol (LOP) – this division would allow for the mounting of a laser or slide mounted optic on the handgun. The optic would have to be mounted between the rear of the ejection port and the rear of the slide. Both single action and double action would be allowed. We might also add revolver to this division. Edited November 4, 2014 by ES13Raven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Will be interesting to see who take's the ball and runs with it if it won't be USPSA. IDPA It just happened. IDPA is asking members to decide: Option 1: Compact Carry Pistol (CCP) – this would be for double action or single action guns. This division would be largely like SSP otherwise but the gun size would be limited to guns of M&P compact or Glock 19 size. Option 2: Laser and Optic Pistol (LOP) – this division would allow for the mounting of a laser or slide mounted optic on the handgun. The optic would have to be mounted between the rear of the ejection port and the rear of the slide. Both single action and double action would be allowed. We might also add revolver to this division. I think this is a troll... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES13Raven Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I think this is a troll... Nope. Here is the Eblast: What’s in this Eblast Deletion of the flat footed reload Creation of a new Division Date and venue change for the World Championship Clarifications for 4th quarter The IDPA Rule Book HQ has received a number of calls asking when the new rule book will be posted. Although we are still working on it, we do want to let you know that we are listening to the membership and want to give you a little peak into the direction we are headed. The first, and one of the biggest announcements, is on the flatfooted reload. While we thought we were headed the right direction with this, it became obvious that the membership at large did not like this new rule and that we missed the mark by implementing it. The members have spoken using the suggestion tool and we listened. When this version of the rule book becomes effective, the flat footed reload will not be gone. Big cheers all around we are sure. Another announcement almost as big is the addition of a new division in IDPA. We actually have two ideas and again, we want your input. The final specifics of each option are yet to be determined, as we want the members opinion first on which option to peruse. Option 1: Compact Carry Pistol (CCP) – this would be for double action or single action guns. This division would be largely like SSP otherwise but the gun size would be limited to guns of M&P compact or Glock 19 size. Option 2: Laser and Optic Pistol (LOP) – this division would allow for the mounting of a laser or slide mounted optic on the handgun. The optic would have to be mounted between the rear of the ejection port and the rear of the slide. Both single action and double action would be allowed. We might also add revolver to this division. Remember, the complete requirements are not yet set for these divisions but we want you to tell us the direction to work on. To let us know, please got to www.surveymonkey.com/s/JT6HJDF to make your choice. With the addition of this new division, we have also decided to eliminate the ESR Division. While we know that this will make a few people unhappy, the results for sanctioned matches in the past year show that ESR comprises less than 3 percent of all competitors. This number also holds true for classifications held by our entire membership. We are looking at the possibility of adding these guns back to SSR so that we do not completely lose our members ability to shoot them. One of the last areas that we are working hard on is adding some of the creativity back to the stage designers’ toolbox. We are making good progress and we think that the members and match directors will be happy with the end results. As it stands currently, we are on track to have this rule book completed and ready for the 2015 shooting season. As soon as we have a firm date to post the complete rulebook we will let you know. Date, Venue Change for 2015 IDPA World Shoot Because of the desire for greater accessibility for U.S. members, the bulk of our membership, we have decided that the 2015 IDPA World Shoot will be rescheduled to take place this coming September in Tulsa, Oklahoma, taking the place of the scheduled US Nationals. Originally planned for March 25-29 in Caguas, Puerto Rico, the 2015 IDPA World Shoot will now take place September 16-19 at the U.S. Shooting Academy in Tulsa, Oklahoma. When we originally planned the details for the 2015 World Shoot, IDPA’s second such international championship match, we looked to host it outside the continental U.S., selecting Puerto Rico as the destination. While Puerto Rico offers an excellent venue, and what would no doubt be a top rate competitive shooting and social event, IDPA mis-estimated the level of enthusiasm such a match outside the continental U.S. would generate among U.S. members. Our first priority is to deliver IDPA members a first-class championship event and right now the majority of our members, that would fill the match, are telling us they want that event to be held closer to home citing the still depressed economy as one of the reasons to limit travel. IDPA members that registered early for the World Shoot will be guaranteed slots at the rescheduled event in Tulsa. Additionally, IDPA has lowered the match fee from $275 to $225, which reflects the reduced costs of hosting the match in the mainland US. The Puerto Rico IDPA community continues to grow with their Caguas Challenge and the Puerto Rico Nationals match gaining popularity among major match competitors, and we are looking forward to possibly hosting an international championship in Puerto Rico in the coming years. IDPA HQ will work with Max and the Caguas club on the possibility of hosting a major match during the same time frame for those that still wish to visit this great club and location. Clarifications for Q4 Today we have posted the clarifications document for the second quarter of 2014. This document addresses requests that were submitted through September. Submissions after that period will be addressed in the new rule book review. Some requests may not be listed if it was determined by the team that no clarification was needed, or if the request was for a rule change rather than a clarification. These clarifications will go into effect immediately. We encourage all Area Coordinators, Safety Officer Instructors and Match Directors to familiarize themselves with the clarifications and cascade to their shooters. The Q4 Rulebook Clarifications document can be found here: www.idpa.com/misc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Color me shocked. I really did not think IDPA would pick up on this so fast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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