gerritm Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just started after maybe 10K-15K 9mm rounds and seem to be getting more frequent. Never did this until recently. I have the needle bearing upgrade on shell plate. It is solidly mounted to bench and bench is screwed to wall. Mixed range brass. Lee & Dillon dies. Cleaned, disassembled, & lubed complete per video. Replaced indexer & spring, index pawl & spring. Replaced case insert slide complete & adjusted. When I push the roller handle like I normally would thru the cycle there is a small movement of the shell plate and it seems to throw the case off. Almost a click. If I reach around and push the case slightly with my finger it goes into the plate & die. Marked the shell plate slots to see if it was the plate and they all do it at random times. If I very fast and aggressively push the handle it seems to work better and the cases seat most of the time. Primers are seating fine. Do the shell plates wear out? Replace the ball, spring, & needle bearing? Ideas? Otherwise call Dillon? gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Mine will do that every once in a while towards the end of a long loading session. I think my issue is a buildup of case lube, powder and an occasional piece of media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, RangerTrace said: Mine will do that every once in a while towards the end of a long loading session. I think my issue is a buildup of case lube, powder and an occasional piece of media. Mine was like that before, but now it is happening more frequent and right after a complete clean & lube. Figured by getting it all clean & shiny & replacing those parts would fix it. gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) Mine does it as well. Check your case insert slide and slide cam. It might not be pushing the case all the way into the shell plate Edited January 5, 2018 by stick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Had the issue, got the alignment tool, tore it down, re-aligned, seems to be fine now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I would clean and lube the press, remove the aftermarket parts, and see if the problem goes away. If it does then you can put the bearing back in to see if the problem returns. There are videos detailing the cleaning and lubing processes here https://www.dillonprecision.com/dillonvideos.html . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwikel Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Make sure your case insert block isn't dragging on the finished round chute when placing a case in the shell plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 Cleaned and lubed per video after this started. Doesn't do it all of the time. May load 10 pieces of brass with no problem. So I am not thinking it is mis-aligned. Replaced all parts that I thought would cause it. Has worked fine for many thousands of rounds. Something is changing or wearing out. gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, bwikel said: Make sure your case insert block isn't dragging on the finished round chute when placing a case in the shell plate. This might be. I will check. That would make sense as it happens just after you finish the down stroke and the case insert block moves back. gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Shouldn't wear out nearly that soon. Something Cracked or broken? possibly. Out of alignment? possibly First thing I would do is tighten the shell plate more. I have a bearing in mine and I tighten mine much tighter than spec to prevent wobble, powder spillage etc. Mine is tight to the point of barely turning by using fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 41 minutes ago, Sarge said: Shouldn't wear out nearly that soon. Something Cracked or broken? possibly. Out of alignment? possibly First thing I would do is tighten the shell plate more. I have a bearing in mine and I tighten mine much tighter than spec to prevent wobble, powder spillage etc. Mine is tight to the point of barely turning by using fingers. Tried this. Tightened it to the point where you could feel it drag slightly during the stroke. Didn't seem to help. Not sure what else could be cracked or broken. Replaced all the obvious parts. Checked the whole machine out when I stripped it to replace the index ring. Thought that might be worn. It is random. Will do 4 or 5 fine and then not seat one. Then will happen for several cases then clear up for a few. But if I really go fast and hard on the stroke it seems to stop or minimize it happening. Never had to that before. gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwarhog5 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I've had the end of the loaded case ejector wire lift up and drag on the case inserter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, Bigwarhog5 said: I've had the end of the loaded case ejector wire lift up and drag on the case inserter. I will check. gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncie21 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 When my shell plate main bolt (large allen) backed out a small amount, it would cause enough misalignment for cases to occasionally not feed into station one with nudging with your finger. P.S. I have the roller bearing under the shell plate also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prebancolt Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Not sure I'm completely understanding what you are describing, but make sure the random cases don't have junk in the grove stopping the cases from being fully inserted. I've also noticed that after cleaning and lubing, the case slide somehow gets grease on the face and drags the case back out of the shell plate. Took me a while to figure out why and how the cases seemed to "jump back out". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 If you replaced the index ring, you usually would need to do an alignment after reassembly. jj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 7:00 AM, gerritm said: Do the shell plates wear out? I wore one out but it was after 50k rounds. It was the edge of one of the shell holder slots causing the finished round to hang up on the ejection wire whenever that slot came around . Your problem is random. If you carefully examined the plate and it looks OK, it's probably something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 Think I found it. When I reassembled after cleaning. lubing, and replacing parts I adjusted the camming roller pin too far down. It was just slightly contacting the case feed ramp and stopping some of the cases from fully inserting. Not all. Turned it 1 turn and it is working like normal. Ran about a 100 with no problems. Going to run a bunch this week. Thanks, gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austings Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 2:02 PM, muncie21 said: When my shell plate main bolt (large allen) backed out a small amount, it would cause enough misalignment for cases to occasionally not feed into station one with nudging with your finger. P.S. I have the roller bearing under the shell plate also. I had this same problem. That’s why they have the set screw on the bottom. Took me forever to figure this out lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBolt Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Check you decapping pin. I was having alignment issues at the sizing/decapping location. Not all the time just random. Turned out to be a decapping pin with a slight bend. Changed the pin and no more issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ryder Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Make sure your case insert block isn't dragging on the finished round chute when placing a case in the shell plate. Yes. This is often the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 So this has been off and on for awhile. I have done all of your suggestions. Driving me nuts. Checked and re-checked. Went to load some 115gr & 147gr SNS casting bullets for my granddaughter's PCC & son's STI and it got to the point I had to tip every case in. Talked to a very helpful tech help guy at Dillon from work and he wanted me to be in front of 650 to try some ideas, he did give me some things to try. Went home tried them and still not seating the brass cleanly in this head. Decided to try my other head for my open gun. Basically same set up. Ran 200 rounds off of 124gr FMJ bullets with all but a couple seating fine. Maybe tipped 4 or 5, probably bad cases. So pretty normal. Both heads have worked fine for thousands of rounds, what has change with the one? Any ideas? Did not call Dillon, yet as they are sending some worn out replacement parts to try first. gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 Need some opinions. Called Dillon and they insisted that it had to be aligned so they sent me an alignment tool and a new case block, station 1 locator, and complete failsafe rod ass. I bought a new clamp style tool head to make sure all was good. Followed the directions to align the platform and re-assembled using the new clamp style tool head, old dies, and new replacement parts. Same problem with the new tool head as with the old one, cases tipping going into the first station. Doesn't matter if it is the only case in the shell plate or it is full. Might even be worse now. Tried changing out the Lee de-capper/sizer die with a new Dillon, and another Lee that I have. Same thing. Made sure all of the adjustments are correct. Decided to try the other old tool head that worked before that I use for my open loads. Changed out the powder from HS6 to Titegroup. Removed the powder check and put the mini Mr Bullet feeder so the set up is the same as the new & old tool heads that are not working. It is working fine. Ran off 300 rounds of my PCC load without a problem. So why is this one working and the others not? If you watch as you bring the case up it tilts and then seems to straiten out just a bit before going into the die unlike the other one where it stays tilted. Really confused. Will call Dillon again when I am in front of the machine. gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig0431 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 I hope you find a solution. I am also having this problem and it is driving me nuts. I almost filled a ramp into the die in station 1 so that it could help the case angle in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkreutz Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Every time I experience this it turns out to be the ejector wire for station 5 has walked up the center bolt. I finally fixed it by putting a "dogleg" bend in the middle of it. What happens is that the wire holds tension on the plastic case inserter and when the inserter withdraws from position 1, it pulls the case back just enough not to line up with the die. Took a while to figure it out (and a number of guess fix parts from Dillon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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