luketmv Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 1 hour ago, 1sickPuppy said: What country are you from? Malta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanssonD Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Nice, and we get to wait to the end of the year.. (Sweden) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompsoncustom Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) Are we getting any closer to a release date in the USA? Do we even know if we will see them this year? Edited September 9, 2016 by thompsoncustom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedahlenius85 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 A couple of urban greys have arrived in Sweden. Skickat från min SM-G925F via Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRanta Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 Same thing in Finland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndtimearound Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 2 hours ago, thompsoncustom said: Are we getting any closer to a release date in the USA? Do we even know if we will see them this year? I was at CZ Custom here in Mesa this week. I asked about the Shadow 2 while looking at an SP01 Orange. FWIW they said they did not know when the 2 will make it to the US or what the MSRP might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta66 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I'm in the market for a new production gun and really want the shadow 2. It's frustrating that CZ didn't have the foresight to produce the guns before releasing promotional material. They should take notes from when Smith and Wesson released the shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
target4fun Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Its all about timing when companies release info. I think its important to have solid dates or time frames at least when you announce. Look at this pistol you all want, we wont tell you when you can get it, and by the time you can you will have stopped keeping track of its release. Ha ha all about timing like many things in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 yes building a ton of gun before they announce the release make a lot of sense, or not. They were absolutely stunned with the response to the gun, by the end of IWA they had more orders than they can produce in a year. Hit the small snag they that did on that first batch, and that put them waaaaay behind. But they are shipping, I don't know why the USA isn't getting them at the same time as other countries, but perhaps the US market for them isn't as big as other markets? Who knows. All I do know is all the ones coming next week to Canada are Urban Grey, no all black ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I'm not up to date on foreign countries and their gun laws. But how could millions of Americans with the capability to own these not be a priority market? Just how many more units do they sell in Europe in comparison to here? And how much of that is due to marketing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 12 minutes ago, v1911 said: I'm not up to date on foreign countries and their gun laws. But how could millions of Americans with the capability to own these not be a priority market? Just how many more units do they sell in Europe in comparison to here? And how much of that is due to marketing? +1 on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 yes building a ton of gun before they announce the release make a lot of sense, or not. They were absolutely stunned with the response to the gun, by the end of IWA they had more orders than they can produce in a year. Hit the small snag they that did on that first batch, and that put them waaaaay behind. But they are shipping, I don't know why the USA isn't getting them at the same time as other countries, but perhaps the US market for them isn't as big as other markets? Who knows. All I do know is all the ones coming next week to Canada are Urban Grey, no all black ones.Yes, that is smart when you are an international company announcing what is going to be your most sought after product of recent memory. Being "absolutely stunned" by the response to the gun is reasonable, but you should still have enough that you can kinda sorta start to stay semi-caught up with the orders, vs just starting to build them AFTER announcing them at one of the biggest firearms trade shows in the whole world. But I am no marketing specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedahlenius85 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I think CZ hired a marketing expert from Apple, asking how they could make the Shadow2 the new unicorn. The answer they got was; make it unawailable to most of the buyers. And to start the unicorn off, only ship the odd urban grey one at first delivery. Then you will make ppl who actually want a black one buy an urban Grey, and when you ship blacks later, the same ppl will buy a that too. Then you sell even more guns. Skickat från min SM-G925F via Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRanta Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 Most of the time new products are great, but there is a small chance something need to be fixed. It is wise to start with small number of guns and ship them close. It makes possible fixing costs smaller. After enough confidence is build you should start delivering bigger markets. Early announcements makes people save their money and not consume them to competitors products. I don't like waiting eather, but it can be very profitable marketing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorenzobishop040 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Can't wait to see these cz Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMaus Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 The CZ marketing approach has been a bit odd. At IWA they had numerous variations including a barrel bushing model, engraved, orange etc etc when they had no plans to produce these variations in the first year. Strange marketing. Normally you swamp the show with the model variations you will announce up front ie black with blue grips and urban. This gives you the opportunity to build up some more juice the second year with variation announcements. They also announced a factory custom build option. Very strange marketing. It also appears that the guns available to date (the final model?) were actually made in September 2015. Plenty of time to build up a warehouse full prior to your release date. We do have to remember CZs previous history with dealer shipments where multiple times they have re-shuffled commercial orders to fit in military orders with the various distributors only finding out weeks after the shipment was supposed to arrive. Looks like nothing has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 (edited) On September 9, 2016 at 10:21 PM, ARy said: I'm just going to hypothesize that they are more inclined to favor the ipsc market first. Longer established, a lot less likely to totally disappear with US elections in January or at some somewhat near future date, and more of an every man's brand than just a competition gun. (And you are probably better off with a CTS slide on a 75 if using USPSA's rule book) Edited September 11, 2016 by IHAVEGAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 37 minutes ago, ARy said: I'll actually add on to that... here in California, we're facing a magazine ban of more than 10 rounds. So basically, California just essentially eliminated open and Limited classes in uspsa starting January 2017. Don't be so sure. We have the 10 round ban in NY, and we still shoot open and limited in USPSA - they just limit competitors to 10 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 (edited) no one in california will shoot open or limited ten. ok, not no one, but very few. for many the allure wasn't the gun itself but what the division allowed. if you're limited to ten, in many of the people i knew in CA, you might as well shoot Prod or SS. Why shoot a 3k Open gun and only shoot ten rounds at a time out of it.... not many people's idea of a fun time. Edited September 12, 2016 by rowdyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamge Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 (edited) Here in Canada, where all handguns are limited to 10 rounds, in IPSC I would put our turnout at 50% Production, 20% Limited, 30% Open. So it didn't totally kill off those classes. It was before my time, but I think back in the day Open used to be the big attraction. Edited September 12, 2016 by adamge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 no one in california will shoot open or limited ten. ok, not no one, but very few. for many the allure wasn't the gun itself but what the division allowed. if you're limited to ten, in many of the people i knew in CA, you might as well shoot Prod or SS. Why shoot a 3k Open gun and only shoot ten rounds at a time out of it.... not many people's idea of a fun time.Even with only 10 rounds they are still the fastest baddest guns out there. Open is still going to be setting the HHF at club matches. People love open.Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFlynn Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 14 hours ago, rowdyb said: no one in california will shoot open or limited ten. ok, not no one, but very few. for many the allure wasn't the gun itself but what the division allowed. if you're limited to ten, in many of the people i knew in CA, you might as well shoot Prod or SS. Why shoot a 3k Open gun and only shoot ten rounds at a time out of it.... not many people's idea of a fun time. FYI, tons of people shoot open and limited in California. I doubt that will change with new laws. I'm not sure how much shooting you've done in California, but they surprisingly have one of the best shooting communities in the country. Particularly in Southern California where you can shoot a match every saturday/sunday, year round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 yeah i know, i lived there for 11 years and shot for years at prado, pala and norco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Will the Shadow 2 be allowed in California? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinn707 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 1 hour ago, IHAVEGAS said: Will the Shadow 2 be allowed in California? If by allowed you mean on the CA doj roster - probably not. Shadow 2's will be more than likely be only available through ppt (private party transfer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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