Charlie Vanek Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 I went to the USPSA website and found the "board members minutes" that have been posted and it looks like the 3 lb. Production Trigger rule has failed, by one vote... Please correct me if I'm wrong. Title: Production Trigger Pull Date of Motion: 7/19/07 03:28 AM Closed: Submitted by: Area1 Seconded by: President Status: Posted Result: Failed Motion: Area-1 moves to revise Appendix D4, Item 6 to implement a minimum trigger pull weight of 3 pounds for Production guns, with appropriate trigger-weight testing procedures to be added to the Appendix. Area1: Yes Area2: Yes Area3: Yes Area4: No Area5: No, Rollcall Requested Area6: No Area7: No, Rollcall Requested Area8: No President: Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Woohooo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscott Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 This should be posted in the "What I Like" forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatMeerkats Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 ...and I just got a 3.5# trigger job done on my XD because of the possibility of this new rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 ...and I just got a 3.5# trigger job done on my XD because of the possibility of this new rule Timing is everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 (edited) Very very good news for all Production shooters. It's about right time that we stopped this foolishness about Prod. gun rule changes. Production guns are just that, but there's no reason they can't be tuned and tweaked just like any other gun. Trigger testing would have been one of the most confusing / annoying things at any major match. BIG THANKS TO ALL THE AREA DIRECTORS WHO HELPED SHOOT THAT DOWN! Edited July 21, 2007 by CHRIS KEEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Your welcome. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 BIG THANKS TO ALL THE AREA DIRECTORS WHO HELPED SHOOT THAT DOWN! +1. No, make that +5! (Area 4, Area 5, Area 6, Area 7 and Area 8!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demetrio Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 (edited) Sorry for my ignorance, but could anyone explain if this new rule is valid for all around the world, or only there in the USA? Also, is it valid right now, or does it yet need some sort of homologation? Edited July 21, 2007 by Demetrio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911user Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Sorry for my ignorance, but could anyone explain if this new rule is valid for all around the world, or only there in the USA? Also, is it valid right now, or does it yet need some sort of homologation? The USA currently does not have a trigger pull minimum in any division. The vote was for adding a 3 pound minimum to the USA production division. The vote failed so there is no change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDH Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Sorry for my ignorance, but could anyone explain if this new rule is valid for all around the world, or only there in the USA? Also, is it valid right now, or does it yet need some sort of homologation? The USA currently does not have a trigger pull minimum in any division. The vote was for adding a 3 pound minimum to the USA production division. The vote failed so there is no change. Demetrio, just to clarify, this was a proposed change to USPSA rules, and has nothing to do with the IPSC rules you compete under in Brazil. If you check out Appendix D4 in your IPSC rulebook you will see that Production guns have a minimum trigger pull of 2.27 kg for the first shot with the testing procedure defined in Appendix F2. Hope this helps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Sorry for my ignorance, but could anyone explain if this new rule is valid for all around the world, or only there in the USA? Also, is it valid right now, or does it yet need some sort of homologation? This was only to have been a USA rule and has no effect on the IPSC 5# rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demetrio Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Thank you all for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Your welcome.Gary Thanks and also to the others who voted no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 The important lesson here is that if you wanted this to pass or fail, did you talk to your Area Director about it? Did your directors vote reflect the opinions of your Area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Thanks to A8 director. Although i shoot a CZ SP-01 & would not be affected by the rule, I am glad it was defeated & i personally believe it makes more models competitive in Production rather than fewer - as it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robomanusa Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 I think production is just that....shoot it how it came from glock......other than sights and grip tape no changes to the gun should be allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2ipsc Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 An inspired solution to a non-existent "problem" - am relieved to see it fail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 The important lesson here is that if you wanted this to pass or fail, did you talk to your Area Director about it? Did your directors vote reflect the opinions of your Area? I did talk to Charles Bond (A6 Director) about it and he did vote against it (as I hoped he would). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 I don't shoot production, but well done!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XD Niner Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Yippee!! This undoubtedly saved many of us mucho $$$ since we do not now have to buy new parts for our XDs. My thanks to my AD Charles Bond and the others who also voted against this ill conceived idea. I had multiple email exchanges with Charles over this issue. I am pleased to report that he was very responsive and I belive open minded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herky Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Interesting vote split east to west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobob Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Happy day! I'm disappointed that my AD not only voted for it, but introduced it. No I didn't talk to him directly, but I posted on the USPSA forum as I was under the understanding that that was the proper place to express opinions. The poll in the forum was around 73% against the proposed rule. Seems many ADs and the Prez. wanted to shove it down our thoats anyway. No matter what division you shoot in, if you're into competition, you're into tweeking your gun. I don't care if the name is Production, requiring that guns should be out of the box stock is, well, just silly, IMHO. Requiring guns be box stock certainly does not level the playing field, if that is the purpose. Just the manufacturing tollerances in mass produced guns means that many stock guns of whatever brand will be sub-par and in need of some work to make them competitive. Even my carry/duty Glocks have had some work on the triggers. The only requirement should be that they are safe, and that no safety mechanism has been deactivated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeInNePa Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 This should be posted in the "What I Like" forum. +1!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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