MWP Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Toolguy said: I think most people are understandably skeptical. This is something different that no one has ever figured out since the beginning of revolvers. The last major improvement was in 1909, which is what most of the major brands are based on, except for a few esoteric ones like Rhino, Korth, and Manhurin. The colt Python action is what they changed FROM in 1909, in terms of how the hammer and trigger interact. It might be hard to imagine that someone could come up with another improvement after all that time, with so many people working on it over all those years. I think most people are waiting for someone else to verify because very few have gotten to personally try this out so far. We are planning to ship N frame hammers during the month of March, and K+L hammers during April. We are in the middle of making the N hammers now. No one can predict the future, and we have had a lot of setbacks, but doing our best to forge ahead. I’m not skeptical of the advancement itself, and just looking at the pictures of the hammer you can see the changes that it would take to actually make a change. I know you have been working on this for a very long time and making sure you had yourself covered before going public with it, which means you believe you have something here. Not many people are willing to patent an idea unless they think it’s a serious game changer. I’m skeptical of how many spoof products there are out now, and how people believe they work. The gun scene is just as bad as the car scene with bad info and magic tricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NV Guide Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 My order is in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted March 5, 2022 Author Share Posted March 5, 2022 Thanks, Dennis! Every one helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badkarma Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Has it been tried on a 617? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 Yes, it works on a 617. It still starts out as heavy as normal, but gets much lighter by the end of the trigger pull. You can see how that works on the middle video of the website. The normal trigger pull is the top video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzShooter Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 My 617 is anxious. I'll do a test and a write up for you right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 Thanks, Steven! That's a generous offer. The K&L ones are a little ways out, I'm in the middle of an N frame run. I'm pedaling as fast as I can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caspian guy Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Are you currently taking orders for the Nframe hammers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 Yes, we are taking orders for K,L,& N. When the N ones are done, there will be a few more than we currently have orders for. I didn't make a long run of N because I need to get on the K&L ones. After the K&L run, I will go back to making N again, maybe a longer run next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caspian guy Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 OK just dropped an order for one. My 929 now has something to look forward to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzShooter Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Something that might help get more customers, I haven't seen a write-up in the Smith & Wesson Forum. I'm sure that would gain some interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 We did that. Pretty much got ignored. A lot of the S&W forum people don't want anything on their gun that's not from the "Mother Ship". A few people said it was too ugly to put on a S&W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzShooter Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Yes. I wrote a story today about my practice session with my 617 and received 5 likes so far and one comment about not being impressed with the modifications. Pistol Forum.com really likes my post and I get a lot of comments back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 hours ago, AzShooter said: Something that might help get more customers, I haven't seen a write-up in the Smith & Wesson Forum. I'm sure that would gain some interest. Those guys only want to buy guns so they can look at them; they don't shoot, and certainly not in {gasp} double action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidSeavey Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 placed my order last night. i'd been playing with springs and such, and couldn't easily get both a lighter trigger and proper reset. I'm hoping this is that answer for some revolver action this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 Hi David - I think you will be pleasantly surprised with how this hammer works. It's a completely different approach from a mechanical aspect, not just another "me too" product. Having a good reset is high on the list of priorities, both in how easily the rebound slide comes forward (lighter rebound spring) and how early in the return cycle it resets (fewer short strokes). Among other things, the linkage from mainspring to hammer puts less downward pressure on the rebound slide, allowing for a snappy return with lower weight rebound springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 Hi Steven - I checked out your post on the S&W forum. Good writeup. I like the new holster design. Beautiful workmanship, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesliet Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 There's another N-frame order for you... this sounds like a really nice upgrade for my 929. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 Thanks Leslie. I'm sure you'll like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoots100 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 On 3/8/2022 at 12:22 PM, Toolguy said: I'm pedaling as fast as I can! Any news from someone that's been lucky enough to receive a kit from the peddler ? SJC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzShooter Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 8:11 AM, Toolguy said: Hi Steven - I checked out your post on the S&W forum. Good writeup. I like the new holster design. Beautiful workmanship, too! Thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Anybody get their hammer yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Hey Warren, Is there a recommended mainspring to use with the RevUp? I have a Wolff installed right now and I have some factory and Wilson units kicking around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted March 23, 2022 Author Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) The original S&W mainspring works the best. You can get the max performance out of it if you bend it backwards a little with a large radius curve in the middle. You want it to just touch the frame at the top when you install it. What this does is give you the tallest height possible when it's tensioned. I use a blade screwdriver to lever it over to hook on the hammer stirrup. We have 30 N hammers machined and heat treated. They need to get laser engraved and we are waiting on DA sears and springs in order to complete them. I'm doing everything possible in-house, but some things have to be ordered or otherwise outsourced. Everyone is having a fun time sourcing parts right now. We will ship kits as soon as we have everything to put in them. They will be shipped in the order they were ordered. We currently have orders for 40 hammers. Those 40 people have made it possible for us to actually do this project. We had to do some shuffling and scrambling on this end, too, but the pre orders put us over the top to get off the ground. Thanks to all for your support and patience. I hope soon, you will all feel it was worth the wait. Edited March 23, 2022 by Toolguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thock Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I wanted to share the e-mail update we just sent out to our newsletter subscribers. Pre-orders are still open! We have some news. We have unfortunately run into a snag on some off-the-shelf components due to supply chain issues. We are diligently working on this problem and hope to have it resolved in the near future. We can't promise how long it will take, but we will keep you updated. Once this problem is resolved, we will begin shipping N-frame hammers. We are also working on finalizing K- and L-frame hammers, so we hope those will follow shortly after the N-frame kits start to ship. There are still 60 pre-orders left open. Once these have all been claimed, prices will be going up, so please pass the word so that your friends can get in on the current pricing. If you have already pre-ordered, please accept our sincere thanks! We know you've been waiting anxiously for your kits, and we're excited that we will soon be able to fulfill your orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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