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  1. I shot a gun with 12lb trigger for a season of matches. The gun wasn’t stock, but the trigger wasn’t light. No real difference in points on paper with it.
  2. Some can take hits on all primers, some can be dry fired without worry. Only factory can do it all.
  3. Keep the factory firing pin until you’re on federal primers only. The factory pin is the ONLY pin that will stand up to dryfire and all types of primers, hard and soft.
  4. For some reason I’ve noticed WWB primers aren’t all the way seated. And inconsistent. Hornady hand seater will seat factory ammo primers nicely.
  5. Return spring weight directly effects the trigger weight. So yes, a 13lb feels lighter than your factory spring and measures lighter too. Are you saying you tested factory ammo? Or reload with all those different primers? Once you start leave the factory conditions, especially with a revolver, there’s much more at play here than just the trigger weight. Hammer fall weight, trigger return speed and how smooth the action is are much more important than overall trigger weight. It’s typical for revolvers to also require fully seated primers, not just federal. I bet if you fully seated all those Winchester and Tula they would have gone off at a 50oz trigger pull. Typically a gun is set up with an action job first, then mainspring, then rebound spring. The action job takes all the hiccups and imperfections out of the gun itself. Tuning the mainspring is 100% based on lighting off primers, nothing else. Then it’s on to rebound spring- set that to your finger speed. Don’t get hung up on the overall weight of the trigger itself- it doesn’t produce a higher score on target or win any points for being light. Get the gun smooth, then 100% ignition, then a rebound that’s fast enough to keep up. All my guns use factory springs, non-ribbed and factory return springs and all are around 7ish pounds. You could build guns in the 4s and even high 3s if you wanted to- but they don’t have the speed to keep up.
  6. My opinion? I’m not sure I have many ideas. Easiest answer is to put big money on it and let everyone know. Get the factory to put a bounty on a rimfire revo division winner and see who shows up for it. They’ll sell guns just for that event. I’m not sure I’m the best person to ask, I’m very selective what matches I shoot. I guess I’d figure out the target audience and cater to them. I’m still trying to figure out how the finances of a major match lose money, why division winners aren’t all paid huge cash, and why the hell random draw prize tables even exist. On a separate note, what ever happened to hosting and promoting an “Event?” East coast steel challenge championship comes to mind- they have vendors, a good prize table, food trucks, cash to winners. Terrible location, but other than that they knock it out. Old time IRC did as well. Great event, great prizes, no random draws, great location. Just because something carries a section, area, nationals or world title mean it’s going to be a good event to attend. Clubs, MDs, event planners and stage designers need to build a reputation before they expect big numbers to attend their events. Host the match you would want to attend, and the outcome will take care of itself. This is historically why matches that move around don’t do as well as “staple” matches. Knowing what you’re getting before you travel is a huge one.
  7. Dave you may get better traffic on this topic on the Revo Nation FB page. If these divisions bring back revo master, I’m in. M. Poggie L4887
  8. MWP

    What if?

    Yeah that sounds about right. It’s really about how much they get used. If you have 10 clips and shoot 20k a year vs having 100 clips and only shooting 5k a year I think a set of clips can get worn quickly. Still fine for start moons, steel matches or practice though.
  9. MWP

    What if?

    They’ll wear eventually. Only from the inside wearing out and becoming loose after loading and unloading so much. You can’t really hurt hearthco or TK unless they get stepped on, dropping only hurts the cheaper moons.
  10. There’s no advantage to .900 over going all the way to short colt, other than there’s more case to send in and out of the gun. Get short colt brass, put a 38special die in the sizing station, a 9mm die everywhere else and send it.
  11. Sights would be my first concern. Having a fiber and adjustable rear doesn’t mean they’re any good. I’d get one to try if the price was right. Be a fun winter project.
  12. Try it out and let us know. I think there are many revolvers on the market that would be competitive in idpa’s speed loader division. Lack of aftermarket support is really the only thing that makes smiths stand out when talking about a game and gear as simple as idpa.
  13. Well that’s good to hear. I was told to get on the forums and ask other owners to help me out. Hey when it runs, it runs like a champ. I honestly couldn’t imagine going backwards to a 1050 at this point, but it sure is a headache when it doesn’t want to cooperate. I still think the choice to step up to a mk7 from a 1050 is the volume a person is loading/shooting and how that time vs money works out for each person.
  14. I’m not sure what the cost difference is. If you plan to never auto drive it, go 1050. I’d love to say mk7’s customer service is a joke, but it would have to exist to be a joke. In my experience, a mk7 owner is 100% on their own after they get their money. I load 1k on the 1050 in 45 minutes with primers prepped. I’m not much quicker on the mk7 honestly, maybe 5-10 minutes on a good day. It has more stoppages than the 1050. I don’t have to pull the handle though. And unless you buy a pretty good pile of sensors, the mk7 isn’t even close to turn on and walk away- I’m a new glock top end and 2 929 cylinders into my mk7 as well....
  15. Easy answer? 1050. Hard answer- I loaded on a Hornady AP for years and still do for everything but 9mm. My process for 9 was- decap and size at the same time with super die in a single stage. Then handprime. Then the 5 station press would go 9mm sizing, Hornady flare, powder, seat, crimp. That process makes a very easy justification for a larger press. But I did make it 4 seasons like that.
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