Phoenix1977 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 The importer for the BeNeLux countries here in Europe told me the first run is a run of 500 guns fully packed with rails and optic and whatnot. A normal version is coming with a base price of €3000 to €3500. Pricewise competing with SIG X-Series, Phoenix Swiss and STI (which in my opinion are overpriced) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasthenk65 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 On 3/13/2020 at 3:54 PM, Phoenix1977 said: The importer for the BeNeLux countries here in Europe told me the first run is a run of 500 guns fully packed with rails and optic and whatnot. A normal version is coming with a base price of €3000 to €3500. Pricewise competing with SIG X-Series, Phoenix Swiss and STI (which in my opinion are overpriced) I would consider for that price! Just have to be sure about reliability... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerofade Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Fasthenk65 said: I would consider for that price! Just have to be sure about reliability... Reliabilty is good so far. I have seen plenty of rounds on mine with zero hiccups. I know one Alien that just finished shooting 50,000 rounds, no real issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 IDPA in my area has confirmed from IDPA HQ that the Alien is legal for IDPA SSP, ESP and Carry Optics, depending on spec. ... There might or might not be a debate on what kind of dot mounting is legal in CO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasthenk65 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 13 hours ago, Zerofade said: Reliabilty is good so far. I have seen plenty of rounds on mine with zero hiccups. I know one Alien that just finished shooting 50,000 rounds, no real issues. Do you shoot factory ammo? Just out of interest, seems Alien likes hotter loads and shoots flatter with 115's? Man I really like this pistol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromMyColdDeadHand Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 So summer is wanningl, any word on if these got released to people in the US? $2500 I could handle, $5000 will make it interesting to see how many bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasthenk65 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 hmm even in Europe no supply yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 On 3/27/2020 at 6:50 PM, Zerofade said: Reliabilty is good so far. I have seen plenty of rounds on mine with zero hiccups. I know one Alien that just finished shooting 50,000 rounds, no real issues. Do you have unreal issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerofade Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jim Watson said: Do you have unreal issues? You wouldn't believe me if i told you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasthenk65 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 On 9/4/2020 at 12:15 AM, Zerofade said: You wouldn't believe me if i told you... tell tell tell we all want the pistol we all want to know all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromMyColdDeadHand Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Do people have illegal Alien pistols Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconpilot Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Any updates on availability?// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasthenk65 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 On 11/14/2020 at 4:46 PM, falconpilot said: Any updates on availability?// In Europe some retailers finally got some... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tictacticaltimmy Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/11/24/lancer-laugo-alien-export/ It looks like the Alien is finally heading for the USA! Has anyone here pre ordered one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpeters11 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I want to try one, but I’ll be holding off for awhile until I can get a good idea of how reliable they are and replacement parts become available. If it were $1200, I’d be a guinea pig, but at $5k, I’ll wait a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfiddy Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 On 11/28/2020 at 4:41 PM, jpeters11 said: I want to try one, but I’ll be holding off for awhile until I can get a good idea of how reliable they are and replacement parts become available. If it were $1200, I’d be a guinea pig, but at $5k, I’ll wait a year. or 4 or 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uomu Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 I shoot with Allien 3 magazine of ammo in rapid sequence.... in the IPSC training for IPSC European Championship. The gun is amaising ergonmomic and nice looking..... but didn t make me a better shooter vs me with my Shadow 2. This pistol it was becomme hotter much quikly as my Shadow, for the same amount of ammo and cadence. One of my friend has bought one in february for about 6.000 euro or 7.300 usd including travel expense. He have to go personallly in Cehia to buy one. I will also buy one, when the price for Alien will become maxim as two Shadow 2 ... 2x1.250 euro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillChunn Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) On 3/13/2020 at 10:54 AM, Phoenix1977 said: A normal version is coming with a base price of €3000 to €3500. Pricewise competing with SIG X-Series, Phoenix Swiss and STI (which in my opinion are overpriced) Converting €3500 to current U.S. dollars (1 to 1.22 ratio) is $4,274 and change. My two P320 Legions were purchased for less than a grand each. So at this price, four Sig Sauer P320 Legions can be purchased for the price of one Alien.... with $274 left over for ammunition. And as stated, it didn't improve @Uomu scores over his Shadow 2. Will be interesting to see what DNROI's opinion will be. If it must have the IPSC mount (IPSC Retro PDO) then the optic cycles with the slide and it looks to be in the correct location for CO but the SAO trigger may disqualify it as the rules stand now. BC Edited December 28, 2020 by BillChunn 2nd pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillChunn Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) After viewing the videos from SHOT 2020 and the information about the Alien's "piston operated blowback system" a couple of thoughts popped up. Owning several LWRC "piston operated blowback system" rifles one of the critical parts of those guns is keeping the gas capture area clean. LWRC calls it "the cup". Yes, it does vent hot gasses and debris away from the bolt carrier group and that stays clean and cool. BUT (there is always a but...) your support hand on the rifle cannot be near where the gas is vented. This may not be an issue with a pistol but keeping the mechanism clean will be crucial to reliable operation. Secondly, a 17 or 18 round magazine in Carry Optics is not going to cut it. Almost every other gun in that division is running 22-23 in the legal length magazine. Speaking of magazines, when are those going to be readily available? And when are the basepad manufacturers (TTi, Henning, Arredondo, etc.) going to have extensions available? Tooling up basepad manufacturing for such a limited number of guns in this country is going to be a significant business decision. It will boil down to how many basepads do you have to sell and at what price to reach the break even point on the tooling? Lastly, what is involved in replacing the barrel? Those do wear out.... eventually. It may be the best thing since sliced bread. It may be a passing fad. Time will tell. BC Edited December 28, 2020 by BillChunn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tampa-XD45 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Larry Vickers is testing the Alien. Check out his Facebook post today: https://www.facebook.com/LarryVickers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix1977 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, BillChunn said: Converting €3500 to current U.S. dollars (1 to 1.22 ratio) is $4,274 and change. My two P320 Legions were purchased for less than a grand each. So at this price, four Sig Sauer P320 Legions can be purchased for the price of one Alien.... with $274 left over for ammunition. And as stated, it didn't improve @Uomu scores over his Shadow 2. Will be interesting to see what DNROI's opinion will be. If it must have the IPSC mount (IPSC Retro PDO) then the optic cycles with the slide and it looks to be in the correct location for CO but the SAO trigger may disqualify it as the rules stand now. BC I wasn’t talking about the P320 series, but about the original German made X-Series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uomu Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, BillChunn said: And as stated, it didn't improve @Uomu scores over his Shadow 2. Supose I'll train myself with "the wanted 2500 or discount 3500 euro" Alien as much I've done with Shadow.... Alien will win. But even 2.500 euro is a lot of money for s new pistol, if I have one 95% as good.... Yeah 5% procent is a lot of score in competition, but is not my case. I've taken in consideration lots of others shooting expenses..... my annual ammo budget = max 3.000 euro. These money mean lots of level III competitions too. So for the moment, I keep shooting with Cz Edited December 28, 2020 by Uomu gramatical corections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerofade Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 I have been shooting my alien more in the off season. I am still waiting on my retro kit for it, so I don't have big plans to use it in production optics. I really like the gun and it has run flawless for me. I do more training with my Phoenix Redback (and I really like it) so i don't know if I will ever switch to the Alien for competition. However, the gun works well. I am happy to answer any questions if you have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockarruda Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Aliens have started arriving to users who pre-ordered. Larry Vickers obviously is one, but more users are now getting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasthenk65 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 7:31 AM, Zerofade said: I have been shooting my alien more in the off season. I am still waiting on my retro kit for it, so I don't have big plans to use it in production optics. I really like the gun and it has run flawless for me. I do more training with my Phoenix Redback (and I really like it) so i don't know if I will ever switch to the Alien for competition. However, the gun works well. I am happy to answer any questions if you have them. The obvious questions: reliability? cleaning? How does the alien compare to the(great) Phoenix? Still in doubt choosing Alien (they are available now in Europe) or Redback... Thanks a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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