NicoR Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 ...should I force myself to change? I am pretty accurate but I sometimes feel that I am loosing speed especially in the draw and in transitions. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickd1 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 it will come just give it time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 1 hour ago, NicoR said: ...should I force myself to change? There are advantages to shooting with both eyes open ... Like anything else, it's worth practicing until it feels natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateTSU Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) Same here, I have learned target focus for fast open targets and front sight focus for when I need the most accuracy but nothing about both eyes open feels natural. Edited September 14, 2016 by NateTSU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 I was in the same boat. It took me a long time, probably months, to tranfer it to matches from dry fire. Im working on keeping them open when targets are close together. Sometimes I get double vision, but I know I have to fight through it and focus on the sight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock26Toter Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 I think that it's a must. I feel that you must have a relaxed, natural face, and relaxed view of the world when trying to take it all in at 1000mph. Closing an eye, opening an eye and chopping off half of your vision along with limiting depth perception is not what we need to be doing during a run. At worst it's changing your view and adding steps to your shooting. At best it's simply wasted movement/processes that should be eliminated. I would personally work on it until I was able to overcome it. Do it early in the game while it has the least impact on your scores so you don't reach like A class and then have to try to train it out of yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Try using a small piece of tape over your non dominate eye, just position it so it blocks the sights from that eyes view but lets you see the rest of the world around it. I use a piece of target tape and take it off when I'm not shooting, it bugs me when I'm not shooting but I know several people that just leave it. some people use regular clear tapes and i have heard of using chap stick as well anything that blocks the sights from one eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis Lead Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I made Master shooting with one eye closed. I tried to train myself to shoot with 2 eyes open and failed. You can see it in my classifier scores. About 5 months of bad scores. I just couldn't get used to seeing 2 slides and 2 targets. I will try again one day, but this was a 5 month experiment that did not work for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I use a very small amount of chap stick or sunscreen to slightly smudge the view from the right eye. For myself, both eyes open isn't an option. I'm left handed, right eye dominant, with a slight astigmatism in the right eye. The left eye is ALWAYS clearer when I leave the optometrist. So I simply decided to train myself to shoot using it. Blurring the view from the dominant eye just slightly allows the other eye to do the job without squinting or other facial strain that might promote blinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I use a very small amount of chap stick or sunscreen to slightly smudge the view from the right eye. For myself, both eyes open isn't an option. I'm left handed, right eye dominant, with a slight astigmatism in the right eye. The left eye is ALWAYS clearer when I leave the optometrist. So I simply decided to train myself to shoot using it. Blurring the view from the dominant eye just slightly allows the other eye to do the job without squinting or other facial strain that might promote blinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicoR Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 3 hours ago, Nemesis Lead said: I made Master shooting with one eye closed. I tried to train myself to shoot with 2 eyes open and failed. You can see it in my classifier scores. About 5 months of bad scores. I just couldn't get used to seeing 2 slides and 2 targets. I will try again one day, but this was a 5 month experiment that did not work for me. Thanks everyone for the input! German Romitelli, one of Argentina's top IPSC shooters (9th at the last IPSC WS, 5th at the last IPSC EEO and winner of the Production Super Six), shoots with just one eye opened. That, too, clearly shows that it can be done... but I feel limited and sometimes my face hurts from closing one eye. So I will start training it slowly after the Nationals next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Try obscuring the offhand lens on your glasses just slightly too. Scotch tape, chap stick, etc... Then go shoot a stage. I bet you'll like it a lot more than clamping one eye shut at speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxj66 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I started using tape a few months ago, and recently I have started to dri fire with both eyes open, it took me a long time to get to where I could see the correct sight picture without the tape and two eyes open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3gunnuts Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Shot with both eyes for years but occasionally it messes with me. Going through a rough patch right now. Close targets are no problem but out past 15 yards or so I need to close one to get a sharp sight picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooster Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Shot with one eye for years, did pretty well, read all the stuff about 2 eyes, tried it. I used tape never could get used to it. I'm using 2 eyes now but I see 2 slides, I just know which one is the correct one. Usually at speed I don't even notice it. The point being is if you can use 2 eyes great, if you can't it's not a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateTSU Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I have been dry firing with both eyes open for a little over a week now, my transitions are faster and I feel more balanced and faster when shooting on the move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0066jh Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I haven't seen it mentioned so I'll throw this in. It works for me and many others at our range. As a last resort, I saw an optometrist who is a GMaster shooter. He recommended a prescription for my glasses that has my dominant eye corrected to be clear on the front sight and the non dominanant eye corrected to focus on infinity. I just have to put the glasses on at least a half hour before a match. Do a search on dominant eye and you'll see other success stories. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I've been doing that since the 80s and it works very well. Some people just can't do it but it works for most that try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janskis Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I too am struggling with this. I have + lenses, astigmatism, neutral dominance and am also slightly cross-eyed (not sure if this is the correct term). That's just one of the many reasons I shoot open with a dot i only have to look at the target and not worry about focusing on the dot, thus clearly seeing what I need to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCTaylor Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 On 9/27/2016 at 10:40 PM, NateTSU said: I have been dry firing with both eyes open for a little over a week now, my transitions are faster and I feel more balanced and faster when shooting on the move. That is where my vision came together. Spent several hours now in dry fire with both eyes open and it finally clicked. Still have to go one eye for 15+ yard shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan454 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I've tried a few times to use the both eyes open technique and it ONLY works for me when using a red dot. I can pick up my open gun and see a clear dot on the target every time but never with iron sights. I always get doubles of some kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateTSU Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Another week of dry fire now and it's clicking, I need some live fire practice before I'm comfortable doing it in a match. Transitions have got faster and my first shot from my draw has got faster. I think the line for me is 10 yards on a partial and 15 on an open target with both eyes open. I hope to move the distance out further with more dry fire and live fire practice to build my confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DASR4 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 i finally got the hang of it after a while, it just takes practice, sometimes i still have to close one eye on the long shots on steel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispin1025 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I have had to work to shoot both eyes open, when I'm having a hard time with that instead of fully closing my non-dominant eye I more or less briefly squint and then open again after the engagement is complete. Two reasons IMHO that the "both eyes open" mantra has stuck is 1) situational awareness, and 2) traditional target shooting, where forcing one eye closed and keeping the other open causes a lot of additional strain and rapidly decreases accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mveto Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 I find myself reverting back to closing my non dominant eye when I start missing steel targets. I feel it makes me slow down a little bit and focus on the target and help with the hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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