IHAVEGAS Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 30 minutes ago, Kingman said: Well. Since it is IPSC approved in form as it sits. It would be hard to argue. You are most likely correct. I am thinking though that there are already precedents for the two bodies to vary on rules details, and the last I heard was that the two bodies were seriously squabbling and attempting to find a way to stay together. Think you are right, but I wonder about such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, IHAVEGAS said: You are most likely correct. I am thinking though that there are already precedents for the two bodies to vary on rules details, and the last I heard was that the two bodies were seriously squabbling and attempting to find a way to stay together. Think you are right, but I wonder about such things. That's was how the Xcal got through so fast. But think we are at a turning point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richc2048 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Well... I was ready to jump in a buy 2 to start this season off right. Should this be a concern at all before purchasing? It's a lot of coin to dump to end up with just a range toy and not for competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 27 minutes ago, Richc2048 said: Well... I was ready to jump in a buy 2 to start this season off right. Should this be a concern at all before purchasing? It's a lot of coin to dump to end up with just a range toy and not for competition. As long as I do not get one I think you will be good. With my luck even betting on a sure thing is dicey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionaryMike Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Richc2048 said: Well... I was ready to jump in a buy 2 to start this season off right. Should this be a concern at all before purchasing? It's a lot of coin to dump to end up with just a range toy and not for competition. I don't see a problem with the Shadow 2 being approved for production division in USPSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester121 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 9 hours ago, IHAVEGAS said: That is the other thing I wonder about. Will the S2 stir a bit of debate in regard to the USPSA production gun list? Not as long as CZ's Match Major Sponsor check clears in time for Production Nationals..... like it did the past 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionaryMike Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, jester121 said: Not as long as CZ's Match Major Sponsor check clears in time for Production Nationals..... like it did the past 2 years. Well I think it's more fair to say that CZ has been very supportive of shooting sports, including USPSA. The financial sponsorship helps. But so do the resources they invest, through innovation and design, that ultimately help the shooter. Of course, some say that the Shadow 2 is just a replica of the Stock 3, but they have nuancial differences, like the magwell, which is just horrendous on the Stock 3. Even nuance can qualify as innovation....every small step. I think the governing body, as well as the shooting body, of USPSA understand that. Edited January 18, 2017 by MissionaryMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vnboileau Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Are these available in the states yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, vnboileau said: Are these available in the states yet? should start shipping to dealers after SHOT is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avedis Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) Some info I gathered from SHOT: Black Poly-Coat Shadow 2 will only be available with a Black Grip from the factory. Black Nitride Shadow 2 will be available with additional colored grips (blue, etc) CZ Custom will be offering the usual SAO Trigger, Sights, Trigger work, etc on the Shadow 2. Accu-Shadow 2 is unknown at this time. CZ will be importing 100 Shadow 2s a month to the US in 2017. Here is a video showing the gun, no review, just wanted to give you guys a better look at it. Edited January 19, 2017 by Avedis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionaryMike Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Thanks for the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 100 pistols a month does not sound like a lot at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, cheby said: 100 pistols a month does not sound like a lot at all. Really doesn't sound like much at all in terms of filling the pipeline, after things get to steady state I'm thinking 100 per month is maybe not bad when you consider the limited market for a $1300+ 9mm that is not IDPA legal and which has legitimate competition from other brands. Would be interesting to know what the long term demand really is for a high dollar (relative) USPSA/IPSC only production gun. If I read correctly all of January production is designated for the US (more than 2000 guns) so I'm hoping the deal is initial surge + 100 per month after that rather than just 100 per month. If it was 100 per month only it would be late 2019 before they would be USPSA production legal. Which would suck. Edited January 20, 2017 by IHAVEGAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 ^^ i was doing the same math and too really hope there is an initial dump into the US of 2k guns. if they start at just 100 per month and the approval process is legit that'd really suck. just have to wait and see! SHOT is over, so ship 'em already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Shadow 2 is worthless if it is not USPSA production legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superpipe9 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 They can push it through. From what I understand they can use different parameters to make it legal. If U.S companies have already purchased 2000 of them but they are not here yet, it is still 2000 sold and I would bet there is more than that already purchased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 11 minutes ago, Superpipe9 said: They can push it through. From what I understand they can use different parameters to make it legal. If U.S companies have already purchased 2000 of them but they are not here yet, it is still 2000 sold and I would bet there is more than that already purchased. There are steps and criteria for a handgun to be accepted to the Production gun list. 1. 2000 manufactured and available to the general public . It would be disappointing if the rule was 'politicianized' and a gun was listed before the average competitor had a reasonable chance to actually own. Not saying that it could not be done, but it would be disappointing . Also not saying that 2000 would cover a lot of the wants, but at least it sort of makes things fair play and not insider/elitist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) double post oopsie again. Edited January 20, 2017 by IHAVEGAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richc2048 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Where'd you guys read about the 2k of guns being dumped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) I would think there is over 2,000 already available to the public, USPSA rules don't specify 2,000 in the USA. I'm hoping it will be approved shortly after SHOT as I really would rather not switch back to the original Shadow each time I come down to the USA. On the Facebook video with Hopkins and Foley someone asked in the comments if it was now approved and the answer was just waiting on the forms and production numbers. Edited January 21, 2017 by Chili Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Chili said: I would think there is over 2,000 already available to the public, USPSA rules don't specify 2,000 in the USA. I'm hoping it will be approved shortly after SHOT as I really would rather not switch back to the original Shadow each time I come down to the USA. On the Facebook video with Hopkins and Foley someone asked in the comments if it was now approved and the answer was just waiting on the forms and production numbers. I think somebody posted earlier that worldwide the numbers have well passed 2000 some time ago. What "general public" must mean to USPSA is beyond my knowledge, I think to date it has been based on number of guns imported to the U.S. I sort of do not have a dog in the fight as I can suffer along with my new TSO in limited if I have to . 10 hours ago, Richc2048 said: Where'd you guys read about the 2k of guns being dumped? Tried to find that written somewhere and I can't, was under the impression that all January production was earmarked for the US market but can not find the reference. Senility creeping in maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhop Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 On 1/19/2017 at 5:48 PM, Avedis said: Black Poly-Coat Shadow 2 will only be available with a Black Grip from the factory. Black Nitride Shadow 2 will be available with additional colored grips (blue, etc) CZ will be importing 100 Shadow 2s a month to the US in 2017. Black Nitride will only be available with Blue grips. Totally incorrect about the numbers a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richc2048 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Black Nitride will only be available with Blue grips. Totally incorrect about the numbers a month.What's the real numbers like and is there an ETA? I would think there's a ass ton ready for delivery. Got any gossip Mhop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionaryMike Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 4 hours ago, mhop said: Totally incorrect about the numbers a month. What are the correct numbers then? No point in saying someone is wrong if you've got nothing else to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 typically that is not something a manufacturer generally discloses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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