igolfat8 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Of the entry level ARs which one has the best trigger out of the box or are they likely all mil-spec with little difference between them? I am considering S&W Sport, Winham carbon fiber, DPMS Oracle and Pametto. Unfortunately I don't have a LGS to try them in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I had a S&W and needed two hands to pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyinTX Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 The Palmetto will come with a standard mil-spec trigger. Gritty and heavy pull but should save enough that its not going to be a difficult decision to replace it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 None, assume the trigger will suck on any of those guns. If it doesn't, yay for you, but assume that it does and at the minimum add in the ALG trigger for $50 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauntedfuture Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 There are lots of pretty good options out there for 150.00 for a nice trigger. I did try the Hiperfire duty trigger and its a very nice 4.5lbs. I think that they run 80.00 or so. I think that you are going to find that unless the rifle has a "match" trigger, and this is subjective, you will be at the mercy of the rifle parts that are thrown together. Standard AR triggers routinely run 8-12 lbs with lots of creep. A good trigger is one of the most cost efficient things you can do to help you get rounds on target. The other high benefit items are optic and a handguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter115 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Their all gonna be pretty bad for competition use. That said, If you're on a budget, a little polishing, a set of JP yellow springs and a set screw through the grip hole screw hole can do impressive things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 a little polishing can do impressive things. I haven't tried it, but I've read here on BE that polishing might remove the hardening of the fire control parts, and cause premature failure (works great at 1st, but then wears out quickly). I may be wrong, but that's my recollection of previous postings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauntedfuture Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 AR fire control parts from most all of the MFGs are case hardened. If and when you start cutting through this your trigger pull will not last long. Years ago, in 1994-1995 when the AR-15 was first legal as a service rifle and we did away with the .30 rule, there were not match triggers for the AR. Many many people tired to recut the geometry of the triggers and polish them up. This worked for a few hundred rounds and then the triggers god mushey and started to fail. The set screw up through the grip hole helped a little. On other guns we drilled a hole in the bottom of the receiver and installed a set screw. Accuracy Speaks Derrik Martin, Frank White and some other AR pioneers started experimenting with triggers. They started milling off the interface portions of the hammer and trigger and welding on material that they could then machine. This worked and still works today. Soon there after many others got into the trigger game and the noted service rifle game changer, the Maliazzo-Krieger trigger. Soon there after Armalite made a copy, there was a lawsuit and they redesigned their triggers. So now well armed with a history lesson in AR triggers DO NOT start attempting to modify the standard trigger by polishing or re-cutting it. I personally don't think that the set screw and light springs will give you what you want. I would save your money. I also shot a factory COLT trigger in NRA competition, 9.5 LBS and won many a matches with it, so it can be done. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Before I got into JPs and Larues, I always thought the Rock River triggers were pretty sweet compared to my Colt and issued Bushmaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter115 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 AR fire control parts from most all of the MFGs are case hardened. If and when you start cutting through this your trigger pull will not last long. Years ago, in 1994-1995 when the AR-15 was first legal as a service rifle and we did away with the .30 rule, there were not match triggers for the AR. Many many people tired to recut the geometry of the triggers and polish them up. This worked for a few hundred rounds and then the triggers god mushey and started to fail. The set screw up through the grip hole helped a little. On other guns we drilled a hole in the bottom of the receiver and installed a set screw. Accuracy Speaks Derrik Martin, Frank White and some other AR pioneers started experimenting with triggers. They started milling off the interface portions of the hammer and trigger and welding on material that they could then machine. This worked and still works today. Soon there after many others got into the trigger game and the noted service rifle game changer, the Maliazzo-Krieger trigger. Soon there after Armalite made a copy, there was a lawsuit and they redesigned their triggers. So now well armed with a history lesson in AR triggers DO NOT start attempting to modify the standard trigger by polishing or re-cutting it. I personally don't think that the set screw and light springs will give you what you want. I would save your money. I also shot a factory COLT trigger in NRA competition, 9.5 LBS and won many a matches with it, so it can be done. Cheers. I'm talking about a couple light swipes on a really fine stone to remove any grittiness, not taking material off the sear engagement surfaces to remove pre-travel/creep. That's what the set screw is for. I've got one in a .22 training rifle that I didn't want to spend the money for another JP trigger on. Breaks right at 3lbs and has so for several thousand rounds. It's still not as nice as my JP triggers, but it's been reliable, is waaay better than a Mil-spec trigger and cost $13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMedic Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 If those DPMS rifles come with their 2 stage trigger, I was quite impress with them on their G2 line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 The words "AR" and "stock trigger" are not meant to be in the same sentence. That's they way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Pick the gun you want the most and then get a CMC or some other drop in trigger group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRider Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 It is true that a decent trigger can be had for not a lot of money, and is probably where you can get the most bang for the buck in improvements. However, when I first started, I put yellow JP springs on a stock Colt trigger, polished the surface with a buffing wheel and jewelers rouge and cut the tail off of the stock hammer. That trigger setup is still in a rifle that gets used for hoser practice and stays out of the safe in my house today. It has had several thousand rounds through it. It is not near as nice as a decent drop in and really makes you appreciate a JP installed by JP, but it has served me well and feels much better than it did in stock form. Hurley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dab Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I'm very happy with the trigger that came with my Rock River Arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShooterSteve Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) AGI makes a very good video about doing ar triggers. I thought it was worth the 30 bucks to learn about the mechanics. I know the triggers aren't rocket science, but it really helps to see the cutaway views and how the actual process goes. One of the most Important parts is at the very first, where they show improper trigger sear relationships, and why they are bad. I like knowing how stuff works, and I enjoyed learning how stuff works. That being said, I have one CMC, two JP's and two home done triggers. My home done triggers are a step behind the JP's, but not bad, especially for the cost. Most people like them pretty good except for the really good shooters who have been spoiled by a great trigger. That is the problem with a great trigger, once you get used to one, it sucks to go back. The CMC is great by the way, have it in a precision ar. Edited March 14, 2015 by shooter steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouse Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Before I got into JPs and Larues, I always thought the Rock River triggers were pretty sweet compared to my Colt and issued Bushmaster. Agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpom Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 OP, as others have said, there is a difference between polishing with a polishing compound on a cotton wheel vs stoning. Stoning will remove significant material which can lead to parts failure. Compound on cotton should not. Results may or may not be satisfactory with compound on cotton, depends on machining and geometry of hammer and trigger, but has worked well on 1 carbine, not well enough on another, in my limited experience. No harm trying, as long its done using common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/ALG_Defense_Quality_Mil_Spec_Trigger_QMS_p/alg-qms.htm http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/JP_AR_15_REDUCED_POWER_SPRING_KIT_p/jp-jps3.5.htm http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/JoeBob_s_Trigger_Adjuster_p/jb-triggeradjuster.htm QMS Trigger, cut the tail off the hammer to become a speed hammer. Add JP springs and a trigger adjuster screw to remove the pretravel and you have a pretty good trigger without spending a ton. For less, use the factory trigger and do the same thing and possibly a very light polish your not out a ton and its much better than stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpom Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Have read good things about new lower cost Hyperfire. No personal experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 DoubleStar 3Gun AR comes with the CMC trigger and the Armalite comes with the Timney trigger. Both are decent triggers that very few people would have a quarrel with their performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullittmcqueen Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Using a stock trigger will get you into the game but after a few matches you will realize the trigger is one of the first parts to get upgraded on the rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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