bigdawgbeav Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Compact Carry Pistol (CCP) division. The full details of that division will be coming out shortly but competitors and MD’s can start making plans now. The division is based on ESP but the guns must fit an IDPA box with a ¼ inch plywood spacer inserted in the bottom of the box to reduce the box size. Barrel length may be no more than 4.1 inches and the magazine limit will be 8 plus 1 to help level the playing field. This division will use the 125 power factor as well. So 5.75 inches high, a 4.1 inch barrel and 125PF... With that in mind... what is going to be the gun that rules the division? Looking for ideas! Edit: fixed title Edited January 19, 2015 by bigdawgbeav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzw26n Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 H&K P2000SK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntenseImage Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Sig p320 carry (gamer will go carry slide w full size frame), m&p 9c w apex fss ... Edited January 19, 2015 by IntenseImage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acmarsh Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 To me the bottom of the box would mean it reduces the width as opposed to heights or length. Kind of like single vs double stack seems preferred carry. option. Don't ask me as I rock a Glock 29 OWB.. I already have too much inside my belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Nukem Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 4 inch 1911 9mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I don't know about what will rule... But my ideal gamer gun will be a 2011 platform in 9mm. Something like STI's VIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acmarsh Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I'm thinking Glock 19. That kinda brings new life to the old 4" XD Service. The BUG 3.8 barrel length and the 19 round XDM kinda seemed like cheating to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOF Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 The 125 PF requirement for the new CCP Division would seem to mean that the ammo has to clock 125 PF from the longest barrel allowed in the CCP Division - 4.1. inch. Ya might want to bump your reload powder charge a touch. 8+1 capacity? I'm thinking that a lot of guns can play. I think I'll start with my M&P 9c, and see how things go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilkMyDuds Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 MP9 Compact with APEX competition trigger (2.5lbs) Seriously, if there is no limits on the trigger, this division is simply a "short barrel ESP" division. However, if there is indeed a limit on trigger, I have no idea how it can be enforced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspian_45 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) Wouldn't it be great if this division was for what we actually carry. And with the way we carry concealed. Edited January 20, 2015 by Caspian_45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 That's what BUG is for. Minus the pocket holsters for safety reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdawgbeav Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 I don't know about what will rule... But my ideal gamer gun will be a 2011 platform in 9mm. Something like STI's VIP. OK... that's just sexy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) bleh to the division indeed being just a smaller esp gun and with less rounds. the cdp guys now might have more people to discuss reload/stage strategy with now.... and yeah, they said "technical" writers helped them. already someone brings up, "what do you mean bottom of the box?" Edited January 20, 2015 by rowdyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee blackman Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Awww man, I was hopeful for LOP over CCP... All these awesome co-witness guns are popping up like the new Glocks, the FN's, and the M&P Cores, and it would have been so fun... Now, we'll be limiting out 15 round capacity Glock 19's that we already do to 10 rounds in SSP to 8 rounds in CCP... yay, that just sounds so... whats the opposite of fun? Yea... Talk about major disappointment. Oh well, I guess 5 division master just got easier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwinG Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I'm going to use my FM Detective (Hi Power compact). 5.01" tall and 3.7" barrel. I wish they would be sensible and allow Compact Carry Optics Division. Seems like a ton of people around here are using G19s with RDS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind bat Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) In the email states, "the membership clearly told us they wanted a compact carry division". I can believe that part but who wanted a short barreled ESP? Short barrel SSP with a 4lb min trigger pull and you've got a much more realistic carry division. Then you could kick the G26 and Shield type guns out of BUG competion. I'm predicting compact CZ's will rule the division. CCP will be as much about "carry" guns as SSP is about "stock" pistols. What a joke. Edit: Damn them, now I want a 9mm sight tracker commander. The barrel and maybe the slide will need to be cut back .15". I will call her the Custom Commander Carry Pistol or CCCP. Edited January 20, 2015 by blind bat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMark Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Well so much for my EDC Colt Lt Wt CDR in .38 Super. 4.25 barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterpuc Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 already someone brings up, "what do you mean bottom of the box?" I had the same thought, "what do you mean the bottom of the box". I was thinking it would be an insert, basically taking up a 1/4" on each side of the box for length, in essence shortening the length by 1/2". Do the same for height, shorten it by 1/2". And for the thickness reducing it by 1/4", a single sheet of 1/4" plywood. Kind of like sticking a 1/4" thick walled shadow box inside the official box.... But I'm not in the rules writing business and I haven't seen them like many other haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerburgess Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 What will be fun is seeing how much they vary the classifier times to try to justify the division. Basically we will have 3 divisions that totally competitive with other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) Great, we get another division for guns that could already be used in the existing divisions. Wedge this in between bug and current ESP/SSP guns....stupid!!! IDPA had an opportunity to include red dot carry optics which would have brought interest from current USPSA shooters and helped older shooters with their visual issues. So what we got was a lot of over the hill shooters who do not understand optics complaining about something new. Instead we got a division that is completely unnecessary to the sport because these guns were already legal. IDPA blew a chance to get into the future of sighting systems and chose instead to further breakup the competition divisions into minute sections. I've had it with IDPA. There are things I don't like about USPSA, but it seems my only option for the future. Good bye IDPA! I don't think iDPA has a bright future or a very long one. Edited January 20, 2015 by Brooke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 So, pretty much this gun is what you would want to run? http://wilsoncombat.com/new/handgun-cqb-lightrail-lightweight-professional.asp#.VL4-7cso7qA Maybe once Wilson Combat starts putting optics on its guns we will see a call for that division again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdawgbeav Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Seems like there is a place for the XDS 4.0 now. Use the mid or extended mag and you have your 8+1. I really did think there was going to be the optics especially since Glock announced their new offerings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordfan485 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Too bad I can't use my Sig P228 (barrel is only 3.9 in long) in this new division. The new box is only 1 3/8 in deep, the P228 is 1 1/2 in thick. Guess I need to get some more 8 rnd mags so I use my S&W M&P Shield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkreutz Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 These changing rules make me reconsider keeping my membership, not that it's a lot of money, but every time some new thing comes out, I find myself less interested in participating. Maybe this year (or maybe not, I'm so wishy washy ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acmarsh Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Depends on what the official determination of "bottom" is. The Sig P320 Carry is 1.40 wide. I bought a XD Mod 2 3" 9mm and. HK VP9 at the gun show on Sunday. Monday I get new rules. I was surprised to learn that the new rules seem to favor the VP9 at 4.09 barrel length and 1.32 width. Maybe that will be the killer CCP gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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