Butterpuc Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 What will be really fun will be watching clubs stuff a fitted piece of plywood into the bottom of their box and watching them not be able to get it out to measure anything else. I have already given that some thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
himurax13 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I wonder what the weight max will be? I hope it stays at 43 ounces to be inline with the other divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordfan485 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) I know the width restriction will knock out the sig p228,p229 and p224. it will also knock out the Cz 75 compact. Maybe they really want this to be a 1911 compact division to sell more wilson combat 1911s Edited January 24, 2015 by Fordfan485 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) . Edited January 24, 2015 by alma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50DIRK50 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Please site your source. The eblast says otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GForceLizard Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 My vote is they mean to restrict the width of the gun. Maybe they don't like ambi-safeties. My logic is flawed because I assume that if they meant to reduce the dimension from top of the rear sight to the bottom of magazine that should be something like 1/2". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordfan485 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 My vote is they mean to restrict the width of the gun. Maybe they don't like ambi-safeties. My logic is flawed because I assume that if they meant to reduce the dimension from top of the rear sight to the bottom of magazine that should be something like 1/2". That was my thinking as well. If they were to reduce the height dimension one would think they would do so by more than 1/4" 1/2-1 in seems resonable if that was the intent. Either way I think the size reduction for width is stupid. Only logical reason I can think of is they want to prevent "gamers" from using the CZ 75 and it's variants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I wonder if the restriction might have been aimed at magwells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordfan485 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) I wonder if the restriction might have been aimed at magwells. Then why not just say magwells are prohibited or magwells wider than 1.375 inches are prohibited Edited January 26, 2015 by Fordfan485 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwayne Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I just hope we actually get a rule book soon!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 My vote is they mean to restrict the width of the gun. Maybe they don't like ambi-safeties. My logic is flawed because I assume that if they meant to reduce the dimension from top of the rear sight to the bottom of magazine that should be something like 1/2". That was my thinking as well. If they were to reduce the height dimension one would think they would do so by more than 1/4" 1/2-1 in seems resonable if that was the intent. Either way I think the size reduction for width is stupid. Only logical reason I can think of is they want to prevent "gamers" from using the CZ 75 and it's variants. Yeah, you wouldn't want to allow a gamer race gun like the cz p01 (one of my two carry guns). although it seems like if a crappy plastic glock would fit in a narrower box, so would a p01. Actually it looks like a p01 is about 1.31" thick at the slide release (thickest point). if you subtract .25" from 1.625, it looks like a p01 should fit in the narrower box with room to spare. But then I have to wonder, just which gun were they trying to keep out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nesbitt Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Since CCP is based on ESP, then all you have to do if your gun is too big is file it down a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I think when I measured last, my 2011 with ambi safeties would not make the cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 A 4" 1911 is going to be fine though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordfan485 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 A 4" 1911 is going to be fine though. I think this new division is just a scam to sell more Wilson Combats in this variety while the thickness rule makes virtually every other all metal gun illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 A 4" 1911 is going to be fine though. I think this new division is just a scam to sell more Wilson Combats in this variety while the thickness rule makes virtually every other all metal gun illegal. I seriously doubt that. No doubt that WC makes some fine pistolas, but a vast majority of IDPA shooters aren't willing/able to buy them. I haven't taken the time to research it, but I'm sure there are a number of metal framed guns that would fit the bill for CCP. Hell, I bet I can still get a 2011 in that box. I'd take that over anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarker13 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 My vote for the CCP Gamer Gun: Just to be sure, I put 1/4" plywood on the bottom of the an IDPA box. It fits (width-wise) with more than 1/16" to spare when the lid is closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarker13 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 And so it is the width that's affected: From the rules released today: The firearm with the largest magazine inserted must fit in the IDPA gun test box measuring 8¾” x 6” x 1 3/8” The standard dimensions are 8 ¾” x 6” x 1 5/8” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdawgbeav Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 The rules have been released: 8.2.4 Compact Carry Pistol Division (CCP) 8.2.4.1 Handguns permitted for use in CCP must: 8.2.4.1.1 Be semi-automatic. 8.2.4.1.2 Use 9 mm (9x19) or larger cartridges. 8.2.4.1.3 Barrel length of 4.10” (104.1 mm) or less. 8.2.4.1.4 The unloaded firearm with the heaviest magazine must weigh 37.00 oz. (1048.9 grams) or less. 8.2.4.1.5 The firearm with the largest magazine inserted must fit in the IDPA gun test box measuring 8 ¾” x 6” x 1 3 /8” ( 222.3 mm x 152.4 mm x 34.9 mm.) 8.2.4.1.6 Start Condition: 8.2.4.1.6.1 Single action only firearms will start cocked and locked. (hammer cocked, safety engaged). 8.2.4.1.6.2 Selective DA/SA firearms will start cocked and locked or de-cocked. This is at the shooter’s discretion. 8.2.4.1.6.3 Double action, double action only, or striker fired firearms with a de-cocking lever or button will be de-cocked using the lever or button. 8.2.4.1.6.4 Double action, double action only, or striker-fired firearms may have a manual safety engaged at the shooter’s discretion. 8.2.4.2 CCP Permitted Features and Modifications (Inclusive list): CCP firearms must comply with all Enhanced Service Pistol (ESP) features and modifications, and equipment restrictions, with the exception that there is no dust cover length limitations. Rule 8.2.2.3.1 does not apply (emphasis added) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordfan485 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Anyone have a link to the new rule book? I am not seeing it on the IDPA website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryShoots Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 http://www.idpa.com/misc/docs/2015IDPA-Rules-MA-V1.0.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lnxgeek Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Anyone have a link to the new rule book? I am not seeing it on the IDPA website http://www.idpa.com/misc/docs/2015IDPA-Rules-MA-V1.0.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdawgbeav Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 There are some nice single-stack 9mm's from RIA that might fit the bill. Have adjustable rear sights and FO front sights... question about barrel length though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordfan485 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I wish they would just underline any rule that changed, woudl make it a whole lot faster to skim thru than to have both versions open side by side on the desktop. New BUG rules are interesting same with REV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lnxgeek Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I may finally stipple the Glock 19 I used to keep for SSP, I could even add a magwell assuming it's slimmer than 1 3/8 inches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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