mfrits Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 OK guys need some input here to help me diagnose some issues with my STI Edge 40 Cal. I am running an Aftec extractor and a Recoil Master guide rod/spring in the gun. I got the gun used and have put approximately 700 rounds through it but I don't know the total round count on it. I am firing 180gr Berry's over 7.0 gr of HS-6 (all rounds chamber checked). The gun is completely cleaned after each match/practice session with Frog Lube. The problem I am having is, after my 3rd stage of a USPSA match today, the gun started to cycle "slowly". It would eject the spent case but seemed to struggle pushing the next round into battery. The issue occurred with 10-12 rounds fed from two different magazines. It would often stop 1/4 inch or so shy of closed and I would have to push the slide the remaining distance. Thinking that if might be an ammo issue, I switched to some GA Arms factory ammo for my next stage and I also put a few drops of oil on the barrel hood and top of the barrel. While this did improve the situation, it did not eliminate it. The issue occurred twice more in the next two stages. One of the RO's suggested that it may be an extractor tension issue? Would love to hear any thoughts from the group on what the issue may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssanders224 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Yea, could be an overly tight extractor. Take one spring out of the aftec, and see if that cures it. Also, what # recoil spring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too_Slow Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 You mention putting oil on the barrel hood but what about the rails? Also HS6 is fairly dirty at those pressures so it may have been dirt or grit in the chamber. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrits Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 Yea, could be an overly tight extractor. Take one spring out of the aftec, and see if that cures it. Also, what # recoil spring? The Aftec has already had one spring removed. Not sure of the # on the recoil spring as it came on the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrits Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 You mention putting oil on the barrel hood but what about the rails? Also HS6 is fairly dirty at those pressures so it may have been dirt or grit in the chamber. Brian I did not oil the rails but it was cleaned with Frog Lube the day prior so they should have been plenty slick. I have found the HS-6 to be a little dirty but only 3 stages into a match after cleaning seams unlikely that grit would be the issue. Any other thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRobson Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Lube the gun(rails) with oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie j Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Because froglube , few drops of motor oil will last a whole match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie j Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Oh and get rid of the recoil master, put a 12lb spring in it and go shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent1k1 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Froglube only lasts for about 100 rounds for me. I use MP9 but lots of guys swear by Mobil 1 synthetic oil on the rails. Cheapest thing to change and try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outbreak Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 What was the temperature? I've had similar issues with my Edge on cold days (below 40F) and it was the grease gumming up. Add some more oil to cut the grease and it ran again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrits Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 What was the temperature? I've had similar issues with my Edge on cold days (below 40F) and it was the grease gumming up. Add some more oil to cut the grease and it ran again. Temp started out around 40 but had warmed to 55-60 when the problem started. Sounds like maybe I just need to oil it up a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Change your powder. HS6 is about the dirtiest there is unless you run light bullets and get the pressure up. There are much better choices for .40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cecil Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 ditch the frog lube... use REAL OIL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrits Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Change your powder. HS6 is about the dirtiest there is unless you run light bullets and get the pressure up. There are much better choices for .40 Yeah, I prefer N320 or TiteGroup but it is getting hard to come by. I really don't think the issue was fouling though. I was only 75 rounds into the match on a freshly cleaned gun when it started to act up. I cleaned it today and it really wasn't that dirty. I couldn't find anything mechanically wrong but I am far from being a gunsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konkapot Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 New recoil spring, proper lube, problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Too cold for frog lube maybe? I'm one of those who is a big fan of motor oil. I think mine is some kind of synthetic stuff out of the bottom of a jug. Had it for over three years and the little bottle is still half full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWBooth Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Mfrits, Check the recoilmaster closely. When they start to come undone they cause this kind of problems , Just like a shockbuff coming apart. I like recoilmasters, and I think they do a good job, but they do crack, and start to separate at the flange. JWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bthunter019 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I had the same problem with frog lube paste when it was cold. Slowed the gun down a lot. Went to the liquid frog lube and haven't had a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I use synthetic teflon type oil Breakfree LP. I don't use a recoil master or aftec. Doesn't happen to me Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extremo Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 +1 on getting rid of the Frog lube. Seen it too many times on both my own and others guns. Some regular oil and they were running again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadarTech Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 +1 on the 12 lb spring I dumped the recoil master and it runs so much better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter567 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I can't believe nobody has answered this and said to use Enos Slide Glide! I mean, this is his website! Frog lube is great for keeping things that build carbon from building carbon. That's about it. I love it on the piston areas of my AR's. Slide Glide light for Lowe temps, regular for anything above 60 degrees. A tube will last a long time, and I clean my guns after every match or practice session. I've heard you can run 5000 rounds without cleaning your pistol and Slid Glide will still work fine. Don't know about that, but it is good stuff.. It's available here somewhere or through Dillon Reloading. Other places as well, but those for sure. I put CLP on the wearing area of my barrel but all contact areas of slide and hammer etc. get Slid Glide. Good luck, happy shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troupe Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 You really can't run a 1911 , 2011 gun to wet. Oil is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPostman Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Mobil 1 0-20 weight is what I use. Stays put after hundreds of rounds and is the perfect viscosity for my STI open gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TANFARM Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I had the same situation arise with my 9 mm Edge. I thought...how can this pistol get this dirty after 5-600 rounds...slide would " slow down" as yours. I dropped any and all CLP products.....clean the gun with Gunscrubber/ brake cleaner oil gun with SP10. I carry a small bottle of oil in a needle dispenser in my bag and put a few drops on barrel and slide during a heavy shooting session....problem eliminated so far .....and keep an eye on the recoil spring...they are not that expensive.......my experiences.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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