barrysuperhawk Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) Jason you made my point for me. Competition is competition its not training. At best its no better training then just going out and shooting with your buddies on the weekend is training. At worst it will teach you very bad habits that will get you killed in the real world. Not to mention the fact that I don't think any of the organizations involved want to be tagged with the moniker of providing to paramilitary training when all they are really doing is hosting competitions. 3 gun will teach you how to be accurate at speed. It will not teach you any of the other parts that makeup full tactical training. more importantly if you show up to a 3 gun competition kitted out like you are going to war you probably won't get too far. I don't know of anybody that shoots three gun in a plate carrier. There are some guys that use vests but they are far and few between. now all that said don't get me wrong I have been to and participated in full tactical 2 gun matches with slings and the whole nine yards but those aren't real 3 gun style matches those are purpose built matches for lack of a better term. I guess the best comparison that I've heard is that a game uses a timer training uses a bullhorn Edited February 12, 2014 by barrysuperhawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSGJohnV Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Look up 2-gun action matches. Pistol and rifle with a lot of cardio in the match. Like, throw a kettle bell and shoot from where it lands until you get down to a line. I've been trying to talk my local range guru to make it happen...to many people say any apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Look up 2-gun action matches. Pistol and rifle with a lot of cardio in the match. Like, throw a kettle bell and shoot from where it lands until you get down to a line. I've been trying to talk my local range guru to make it happen...to many people say any apparently. The shooting sports are supposed to measure shooting. I have hosted LEO and Military matches with PT included in the stages (running push ups etc) but thats not a good thing for everyone. We want our sport to allow anyone from a 16 year old girl to a 69 year old man to shoot and enjoy it. Not just the super body builder types. lol Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSGJohnV Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Ha! Just saying it could add an element. Shooting under pressure. I'm also a believer in bringing the Rhodesian Wall back to uspsa, but that's just my opinion. Uspsa and 3-gun already have an element of physical fitness to them if you think about it. The more in shape you are the easier it will be to shoot well or run a bit faster on a stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonatlaw Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 That sounds great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missiondude Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Funny, I was just telling someone today that our range is not really good for 3 gun due to the limited area and distance for the rifles and our range rules. I think I will try running a 2 gun match sometime this summer for shotgun/pistol. Maybe a division for pump/revolver shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Funny, I was just telling someone today that our range is not really good for 3 gun due to the limited area and distance for the rifles and our range rules. I think I will try running a 2 gun match sometime this summer for shotgun/pistol. Maybe a division for pump/revolver shooters. You can still do rifle with limited range. Use smaller targets. They make half size and even 1/3 size USPSA targets you can use. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjw Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) There is such a thing. They have started to legitimize themselves now through a new National Body: USCA I would be more interested in "Outlaw 3-Gun style" 2-gun. USCA seems a little "tactical" for me. I feel like "gun games" are just games and any attempt to employ tactically sound methods doesn't stand up to a timer as a judge. (It stands up to someone shooting at you with simmunitions/airsoft/paintball/etc) out law is more tactical we have been shooting out law since the mid 90's in n. carolina haul all ur gear for the day rifle and pistol day 1 shotgun and pistol day 2 ammo 'water food clothes meds etc all day and late into the nite. its as tactical as u can get. most of the places we shoot are not even on the map some are off base military ranges. invitation only no gamey shit. just real world guys and gear a ball but was a big factor in the 3 gun evolution no uspsa or idpa crap ur work gear jjw Edited March 20, 2014 by jjw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vetdocone Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Central Florida R & P Club in Orlando has MultiGun matches - You can use rifle, pistol or shotgun - they're designed to shoot all three guns, but you don't have to ... I just shot the last two matches pistol only ... Match before that I used pistol and rifle only. You're right - it's a LOT of fun. did not know this, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phidelt208 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Most local multi gun matches only use 2 of the three guns on a stage. The logistics of 3 guns per stage are tough to pull off in a single day format. Find some in your area and check them out. This is what I've seen, so to answer your question, that what most 3 gun matches are. They are set up fairly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen1776 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 USCA put on a match last november in Florida. It was a lot of fun. Only having to deal with 2 guns is just as much fun as running 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 There is such a thing. They have started to legitimize themselves now through a new National Body: USCA I would be more interested in "Outlaw 3-Gun style" 2-gun. USCA seems a little "tactical" for me. I feel like "gun games" are just games and any attempt to employ tactically sound methods doesn't stand up to a timer as a judge. (It stands up to someone shooting at you with simmunitions/airsoft/paintball/etc) out law is more tactical we have been shooting out law since the mid 90's in n. carolina haul all ur gear for the day rifle and pistol day 1 shotgun and pistol day 2 ammo 'water food clothes meds etc all day and late into the nite. its as tactical as u can get. most of the places we shoot are not even on the map some are off base military ranges. invitation only no gamey shit. just real world guys and gear a ball but was a big factor in the 3 gun evolution no uspsa or idpa crap ur work gear jjw Does everyone have to wear 5-11 gear to shoot? lol. Matches are not tactical they are games and they are fun. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrysuperhawk Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 That sounds like a mini-trooper class [heavier than heavy metal] and sounds like fun, but less than practical, if it isn't your "work gear" and is just some crap you bought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 There is such a thing. They have started to legitimize themselves now through a new National Body: USCA I would be more interested in "Outlaw 3-Gun style" 2-gun. USCA seems a little "tactical" for me. I feel like "gun games" are just games and any attempt to employ tactically sound methods doesn't stand up to a timer as a judge. (It stands up to someone shooting at you with simmunitions/airsoft/paintball/etc) out law is more tactical we have been shooting out law since the mid 90's in n. carolina haul all ur gear for the day rifle and pistol day 1 shotgun and pistol day 2 ammo 'water food clothes meds etc all day and late into the nite. its as tactical as u can get. most of the places we shoot are not even on the map some are off base military ranges. invitation only no gamey shit. just real world guys and gear a ball but was a big factor in the 3 gun evolution no uspsa or idpa crap ur work gear jjw Forgot to mention what is gamey shit one day ends up being used on military and police rifles the next. Funny story one instructor whom I will not name comes up here to give us instruction every couple of years. Nice guy but very old fashioned. He always accused me of being a gear queer. When I started running an off set sight he made fun of it and then the next year he was running a 1.5 to 5 Leupold on his rifle with a Aimpoint T1 in an off set mount. The reason why is because some SWAT guys showed him and he thought it was cool. I mentioned we have been doing that in three gun for a long time in open. The tactical teddy crowd does make me laugh at times and I used to be a member. Now I try not to take myself that seriously. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 There is a 5 match 2 gun series that started this weekend here in PA that has picked up some good sponsors and shooters. Geiselle, Rebel Arms, Lehigh Defense Ammo, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 In precision shooting, there are several 2 gun matches. Pistol/Carbine or Pistol/Rifle...a few 3Gunners do pretty well at them. Kurt and Trapr ran a shotgun only match, which almost made me hurl even thinking about it when I started 3Gun, but even with the heat, I had one of my better match placements at their last one. I hated the shotgun and considered it an outdated POS up until about 2010. But things change and there are what, 8 "bigger than local" shotgun matches now. More variety in platforms, more variety in loading techniques...and I hear little, if any 3Gunners talking about ditching the SG now. There are even shotguns coming back to some LEAs who had dropped the platform. It is not just one thing, but a combination of factors. I have no doubt that 2gun matches will still become more popular. Heck, NSSF Rimfire Challenge is a 2Gun match, and there are some very cool plans for the formats in what I consider an essential component to the overall health and growth of timer based firearms competitions. And if there is a timer, it is a game. Time is an essential tactic that can only be measured against a real threat, not paper and steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakobi Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 We started running two-gun matches (pistol/shotgun) in the winter (USPSA shuts down due to ice and snow so we stole their weekend) at my club. All the targets are steel and stages resemble USPSA/3-gun. It's wicked fun. If there's nothing near you and you want to do it, talk to the other club members and get something going. -Jake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcloudy777 Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) I still want to do Adam-12/TJ Hooker 2 Gun. Revolver and Pump Shotgun!!! I've even written a rule set: Adam-12 Revolver/Shotgun Match Equipment divisions: All divisions: Revolvers must conform with USPSA revolver division equipment rules, except where noted. Shotguns must be of 12 guage, and manually operated. Optical sights and porting/compensators are disallowed for all guns in all divisions. Shotguns will use lead shot size #6 or smaller only. Classic Division: Revolvers are not allowed to use moonclips; speedloaders are allowed. Shotguns may not be capable of holding more than 5 rounds + 1 chambered round at any time. Modern Division: Moonclips are allowed. Shotguns may not be capable of holding more than 9 rounds + 1 chambered round at any time. Scoring: Targets will be USPSA targets (metric or classic), knock down steel, and/or clay pigeons. All Targets: Any target not engaged will incur a 5 second penalty, in addition to the appropriate penalty for no hits on that target. Steel targets: May be engaged with either revolver or shotgun, and must fall to score. Any steel target not knocked over will incur a 10 second penalty. Clay Pigeons: May be engaged with either revolver or shotgun, and must break to score. One "BB" hit is considered to be a break. Any unbroken clay will incur a 10 second penalty. Cardboard Targets: May be engaged with revolver only. Each cardboard target requires two hits within the scoring area, or one hit within the A/B zone to neutralize without penalty. Targets with one hit outside of the A/B zone will incur a 5 second penalty. Targets with no hits will incur a 10 second penalty. Edited May 12, 2014 by dcloudy777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeman711 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 We will be putting on a 2-gun match May 18th at 5-Dogs Action Shooters in Bakersfield. Handgun and rifle or handgun caliber carbine. Match starts at 9:am. Hope to see you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shws Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I am in agreement here. Mostly because 3-gun is too pricey for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 2 gun this weekend. I'm gonna go broke Round Count 275 Rifle 200 Bird shot 10 slugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bultaco Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 To the idea of going broke at a 2/3 gun match. We had small local club matches (30 or less shooters) and started to burn our safety officers out with long matches. We went to what we called CQ matches. 3 stages. 30 hits combined per stage. Steel for rifle no farther that 150 yds. out. Now we limit it to 24 shooters per match. At first it was rifle/pistol 2 gun. The blasters really wanted the shotguns involved so we went to 3 gun. We can finish a match in 3 1/2 hours and have kept the ammo bill down to the point that locals who can't spend the money traveling to bigger matches have the ability to participate. We really only have 4 bays that would handle 3 gun stages so this was what we could do monthly with our facility and staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DagoRed Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I went recently to a match at a club that isn't USPSA yet and so there stages were a bit different from what I am used to, while one didn't interest me much the others were fun. I would like to get into 3 gun later but would definitely like to do 2 gun (gear cost being one reason) One guy I know wanted to start one where you had to wear a revolver and semi, use them both during the stage, with different hands. that would be a lot of fun I think. Me and another buddy thought about an "impractical shooting" game, after the idiots here in CA banned 50bmg. Imagine carrying a 30lb rifle around, or trying to shoot it from inside a car. all while wearing your pants down below your ass Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfSpartans Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I for one hope USCA does not adopt 3Gun rules in total. I like that accuracy is weighted heavier. I like limited time Comstock stages. Don't game it, hit it. The pistol dump rules even the field for transition time and so on. I shoot 2 & 3. Like both and the differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Man Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Back when our club had small attendence; we used to take one (pistol) stage, pull the steel and have a rifle only stage for fun. It was a riot! And didn't cost a lot of money to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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