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I do use the Hyperkewl evaporative vest when we start getting over 115. It is the bomb with one big caveat. It works much better in low humidity than high. This normally isn't a problem as our humidity normally drops into single digets when our temps go up. I bring a cooler with ice water in it and resoak as needed. edited to add Hydrate, hydrate, hydrate or none of these other tips will mean a thing.

Yeah, that seems to be the ceiling regardless of caliber/bullet weight. edited to add quote function not working. This is to the Kneeling's comment that the limit for Long Shot is about 165,

Great post. Can you actually get to 170ish with Long Shot in 9? In SC it was right at the upper limit.

I've got an SC and a newer 9. Loved playing with powders in SC like some master chef looking for the "perfect" load. (Spoiler alert....The answer is fill the case with N105, scrape off enough to stuff a 115 JHP on top and call it done) I found that at 61 I like not scrounging for scalding hot brass bent over in the AZ summer heat way more. I still finish around the same group I always do regardless of which caliber I shoot and have more fun at the match. 9 hits a little harder but I never notice it on the clock, only when shooting it back to back with SC.

I've shot local matches twice. One major, one minor. Times vary for me. Sometimes I actually shoot major faster, probably because I am not worried as much about shooting alphas. It varies though.

^^^^ This. If you already have a pistol use it. If you have neither get a .40 which will give you the option of major or minor scoring. Personally I think there are few things more fun than shooting Limited minor. I usually finnish about 3 points lower shooting minor but by Wednesday I don't remember where I finished in the results but do remember how much fun I had. :-)

I've put the CZC safety on and can assure you that you won't miss that widebody when you go to disengage it. Depending on hand size and grip you might find it can dig into your support thumb. You can cut it down easily though. The only thing I still have mixed emotions about though is that you also push to engage the safety. Sometimes it feels fine, others not so much. This is only an issue when I shoot 3 gun and have to safe the pistol on the fly.

Ambidextrous???

Tony, Tony, Tony.... One date with the quads on the clock that didn't go well and you are ready to kick it to the curb. LOL Just kidding. You consistently load two damn quickly. That said, one thing that made the quadload hard today is you had to dance around that table and barrels. With deuces you can pay more attention to where you are going. For me, distractions while loading quads can lead to a lawn sale very easily. Someone with better skills than me may not have the issue though.

This is the essential truth of all of this because these two items are two most important things to protect yourself and your club. There is no way to eliminate accidents at the range (or anywhere for that matter), only minimize the risk. When the accident does occur the injured party will most likely pursue the issue and blame will be pointed at everybody and everything. For better or worse this is the reality of how this plays out. As my ex-father in law told me when I was a much younger man, "Shit is just going to happen. Be prepared." Smart guy.

Thanks for the professionalism in your response. I'd be interested to hear how you view some matches that have changed their rules to remove a layer of safety without a real understanding of what they are doing. Specifically changing from DQs to penalties for some actions, Thanks Mark. This is an answer that most people don't like, but one I have to frequently give. Hypotheticals are usually impossible to answer accurately. One small, seemingly insignificant fact change can completely change an answer. On top of that we are talking about multiple jurisdictions, some with very different rules of the road as it were. That caveat firmly in hand my answer is..... it depends. Moving past the initial issues of enforceability of waivers and the like I would still have lots of questions. Do you have a new safety procedure that is implemented at the same time that makes the offense less of a safety hazard? What prompted the change? Were safety considerations discussed? etc, etc, etc... Again, it is just so fact specific. Sorry, I am really not trying to be evasive here. All that said, as a completely generalized statement doing anything that might be perceived rightly or wrongly as demonstrating less than the highest degree of concern for safety has its risks. teros135, on 05 Jun 2016 - 7:59 PM, said: Good lord! I'm sorry, but didn't anybody see the YouTube video from last year? Didn't EVERYBODY change their routine to have the RO be the last one back behind the line before giving MR? It sounds from the description that there were multiple high-level foul-ups here. What do we need to happen before we start paying attention? Memories fade. Noobs grab the clock. People will make mistakes. You need to minimize the human factor. We should eliminate vision barriers on the range. My two cents is that solid walls have no place in this sport. Snow fence is as solid as anything needs to be. That still leaves us with barrels and even targets that can hide folks downrange which I don't have an answer for.

101 at 9am when we started to shoot and 114 when we finished.

Will do and how did you know my quad-loading shame? Did you just squeeze the aluminum ring until the overall diameter dropped down or did you just bend the bits that press against the red thingamabobbies?

Fine Bamboo. Post that after I spend the day practicing quad loads. Back to the workbench now...... Seriously though, thanks!

I'm not so sure the issue with dropping shells is related to the mag pouch. I've been having the same problem and think the issue is actually the inertia of 6 shells overcoming the tube's shell retention capacity. To prove this just hold your 6 rounder down at your side and jerk up quickly. After you have picked up the two or three shells that will be on the floor and put them back in the tube do the same movement smoothly. Shells stay in. If I am smooth with my draw out of a CCW pouch I will keep all six in the tube. I normally run 1 1/8 shells and may try 1 ouncers to see if that helps at all.

HS6 with a 115 at about 172-175 out of a FGW with 3 popple holes is the absolute bomb. A dirty bomb true, but still the bomb. Noticeably nicer than even with a 124.

The TS mags say 9X19 on one side and Tactical Sport on the other if that helps at all.

Following because Lord knows I need to throw more money at yet another mini optic.

Great vid. They forgot Mr. Stage Walkthroughog though.

Now before I even start I have to say that I have used Mike in the defense of multiple suits and while he is a hell of a revo shooter he is even better as a defense attorney. Listen to what he has to say. (Wish I still handled cases in Iowa Mike) All that said, my experience in multiple jurisdictions is that while not considered against public policy the courts generally look with disfavor upon exculpatory clauses and will interpret the document strictly against the drafter. While the document does not have to list every possible scenario it only protects the drafter from risks the party signing the document would reasonably expect during the activity. If the MD decides to bury that guy who got shot in the berm and runs over somebody with a backhoe while doing it the waiver will probably not protect them. The artful plaintiff attorney will attempt to argue that the cause of the injury goes beyond the reasonable understanding of the risks being waived. Arguments about the validity of waivers are part and parcel of many a lawsuit and are frequently not as clear cut as we would like. But I quibble about details and defense strategy here. Determining liability is far secondary to finding coverage. You need a policy somewhere to defend you both in the investigation of the loss but also more importantly in any suit filed against you. We recently closed a case where we prevailed at trial and defeated multiple appeals. The expenses on that case were just north of $425,000, none of which is recoverable. I would not want to foot that bill personally. There was also a good point above about exclusions for athletic activities. This has become a popular exclusion and would possibly result in a coverage disclaimer if the loss was determined to fall within the definition of that exclusion. Read your policy no matter how boring the process is. If you see that exclusion contact your carrier to see what it would cost to have it removed if that is a possiblity. There are intricacies as to what actually constitutes an athletic activity but the best way to avoid that fight is to not have to deal with the exclusion. Lastly, to blame attorneys for how painful going through a lawsuit is misses the point. A lawsuit against you is an ugly thing. Period. Attorneys, including the one who will hopefully be hired to defend you have an obligation to vigorously represent their clients to the full extent allowed by the law. I am certain we would want no stone unturned in our defense and the plaintiff will want their counsel to do the same. This gets complicated by the fact that most people are not well versed in various theories of liability which can result in them being found negligent in whole or in part. Even for those of us in the game predicting how a jury will come back is on our best day an educated guess. The certainty that I read on the internet is not the reality of the courtroom.

I am lucky enough to have amazing guns for Open, Limited and Production. Generally I move between them when I inaccurately believe switching divisions will do something magical for me and/or wont require the skills it did the last time I shot it. Seriously though they all offer slightly different experiences and I change based on what I feel like. Generally speaking Open gets around old guy eyesight issues and feels all whiz-bang techno cool high speed, low drag. Limited feels like a man's gun if nobody told him he could only have 10 rounds or less and you feel all superior when you beat your buddies shooting Open. Production is easy on the hands, makes you focus on accuracy and stretches out your low back as you pick up all your mags but will penalize you like a convicted felon if you get sloppy with any part of your game. Is Open fun? Well, yeah it can be a blast but it has its challenges too. That said it is the division I am spending the most time in lately.

I used to do the measure the bullet and case wall thing until a gunsmith asked why I was going through all that trouble. Measure the with of a loaded round right behind the crimp. Subtract .02 and you should be fine. Haven't had a problem with this method at all using JHPs and Bayous. Agree with Ultimo. Crimp does not impact setback. Neck tension does and too much crimp can negatively impact that.

Bouncing between early Rolling Stones, Spanish guitar and Dead or Alive's cover of That's the way I like it. It has been a......wide range this evening.

Nope,that is through my Tac Sport. :-)

Ahhh, common ground. We agree! LOL