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    Lawton Segler

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  1. Just4FunLP

    Lawton's Wants to Make Production Master: Please Help!

    Thanks for the reply Andreas... I have tried it both ways and it seems faster and more fluid to start with the hands and arms relaxed, but the consistency is not there yet. I'm still working through it so perhaps it will come with time. What do you think is faster and more consistent? For me to control the gun fast enough to maintain accuracy at speed I have to be shooting with intensity, meaning my hands are placed where I want them and everything is tight, grip, wrists, and elbows. If I continue down this path, I'll have to figure out a way to learn to run the first 80% of the draw stroke without tension, and then end with the the high tension locked grip, wrists and elbows. ...??? My problem is that I've done a lot of practice over the years and tried many techniques, but from what I can tell by practicing the classifiers is in order to break into master land I'm going to have to make some changes. What I've been doing isn't going to work. Right now I'll take a classifier and run it 20 times with maybe 1-4 master scores toward the end, and this is using pre-HHF adjustment scores. This has taught me I need to get faster at just about everything without reducing accuracy. I guess that's the name of the game for everyone. I think my problem has been I tend to practice too many techniques at once. This has been great for my performance on field courses, but not so good for classifiers. I want to focus on perfecting one skill at a time until I've significantly increased my HF on this simple three target drill. So with this in mind, step one is to reduce my time to first shot by 10-15% while improving accuracy of that hit, and having a really great grip for the rest of the array. When I think I have a technique that works I want to spend a great deal of time to burn it in and make it consistent before I add in the next technique. This will be followed by improving splits, transitions, and finally changing gears for distance and partials. I think I'm looking at least 3 months before I get to mag changes. My thinking is that I want to be sure I've selected and tested the best technique before I invest the time to and energy of burning it in. Please let me know if you agree or disagree with my training approach. Right now I think my goal should be to consistently run the drill above with a first shot at around 1.0s and 0.2 splits on all three targets and all As. Does this sound like a realistic goal, or should I settle for 1.1s first shot? What's your first shot at 7 yards? Thanks
  2. Just4FunLP

    Par Timer app

    Just found a YouTube video on the Dry Fire Timer app and then bought it. It’s pretty awesome. Thanks for the tip.
  3. Just4FunLP

    Par Timer app

    That “Dry Fire Timer” app looks pretty good. The “Par Timer” app doesn’t have an adjustable make ready time causing me to rush. It also doesn’t have the ability to repeat. This app appears to be much better. I’ll have to give it a try.
  4. Just4FunLP

    Lawton's Wants to Make Production Master: Please Help!

    A long time ago I went through period of exploring grip techniques and found it was good to write notes after live fire so I'd be able to start at the same place next time. It really seemed to help. The other day I decided to do the same for the draw stroke. For what it's worth, here's what I came up with. And no, I"m not completely nuts..... Lawton's draw as of 8/1/2018... Evolving 1. During makeready position web of strong hand firmly into beaver tail, then down and back up a few times to confirm the movement. 2. Start with shoulders, arms, and hands relaxed. I used to start with tension but have proven that starting relaxed is faster and more consistent in both live and dry fire. 3. Large thumb metacarpal of strong hand touching screws on holster. The shape of the hand should be retained from step 1, but not tense. 4. Weak hand relaxed at side but with the 4 fingers cocked foreword slightly. 5. Face up and forward. 6. Leaning very slightly forward. 7. Feet and shoulders slightly clockwise. 8. Shoulders slightly elevated, but relaxed. 9. Concentrate on not moving the head and shoulders during the draw stroke. This is extremely important. 10. Again, check for relaxed arms and hands from step 2. 11. Eyes on point of target you want to hit. 12. On the beep, the strong hand comes up and the thumb never loses contact with the holster/pistol. At the same time the weak hand comes up so the pinky knuckle is touching the belly button. Still in the shape of step 4, thumb slightly forward and hand cupped a little. 4 fingers touching. 13. When the strong hand thumb detects it’s reached the top of the gun it moves in and down and the 3 fingers lock around the gun. The thumb is pointing forward but is coming down quickly. 14. When the web of the strong hand hits the beaver tail the weak hand starts to move up and forward to meet the pistol. 15. There is no delay after step 14. While bringing out the pistol very fast the thumb is pressing on the safety lever (not to disengage the safety, but for me that's the thumbs home position). This seems to help the metacarpal thumb bone sort of grip the back of the gun under the beaver tail improving stability. 16. Once the pistol clears the holster it starts moving forward. It’s going directly to the final position, not up then forward. This happens so fast that it becomes one fluid motion and the weak hand just has to be moving fast enough to land properly on the way up. The thumb slightly forward and hand slightly cupped from step 12 comes into play now, and the hand naturally falls into position and the hand should start clamping immediately. The sooner the better. All this happens extremely fast and is where I’m currently having the biggest problem with consistency. To achieve a more powerful higher weak hand grip It would be better for me to jam the index finger under the trigger guard, but it’s very painful if it hits too hard. 17. While extending I should be quickly clamping with my weak hand, and if it’s a close target I’m pulling through the double action trigger. 18. Stop short of full extension and grip should be tight with locked wrists and acceptable sight picture. Because the trigger pull started on step 17 it should break as soon as the sights come on target. For a DA one second first shot at 7 yards I have to trust the sights will be there. At longer distances and smaller targets I'll have to wait for a better sight picture before starting the trigger pull. I’ve heard Stoeger mention that he doesn’t start the DA pull until the gun is forward, and I assume the sights are settled. That may be why his dryfire training stresses practicing your draw without pulling the trigger. I’m still unsure....
  5. Just4FunLP

    Lawton's Wants to Make Production Master: Please Help!

    It's been a while since I posted. I don't know why anyone would want to read this stuff, but here goes... I saw a video of Stoeger shooting a classifier and noticed him wiggling his fingers just before the buzzer goes off. I assume it's a way for him to mentally check to make sure he's not tense. This is opposite of my usual start position. Right or wrong, I want to move quickly and end the draw with hands, wrists and elbows tense, so I tend to start with tension. So as an experiment I ran a bunch of draws with hands "relaxed" at sides. This definitely seems to add speed and make the whole sequence run smooth. Next, as I mentioned previously I wanted to try switching from my 13lb hammer spring to my 11.5lb to see if it would improve my first shot speed and accuracy. Well it seems like the lighter spring and relaxed start made a difference. To measure my progress on the draw stroke I came up with a simple test of 3 open targets at 7yds and spaced 6ft on center. I figure it's one thing to put one thing to put a single shot in the A zone as fast as possible, but my goal is to do this and at the same time have a grip good enough to control recoil and maintain sight alignment through fast transitions. These are the results from 7/24. Compared to the 7/5 runs I trimmed about 0.15 off the first shot time and had a slight improvement on my splits and transitions as well. By averaging the best 5 out of the first 10 runs of the two practice sessions, my average HF improved from 9.3 to 10.5. That's pretty good. The bad thing is that my grip didn't seem to be aggressive enough to control recoil, and I ended up with a few splits above the A zone including two Bs and at least one high Mike. I guess now I need to figure out how to draw fast without tensing up, but end the draw with locked hands and wrists so I can control the pistol while ripping through all the targets. As a side note, I had conquered my tendonitis about a year ago, but I did about 2 hours of dryfire the other day and now I'm back on the arm band. This really sucks. I may have to lay off for a while.
  6. Just4FunLP

    Par Timer app

    I’ve been using my CED 7000 timer for dryfire for years, but I recently got a iPhone app called “Par Timer”. It’s only about $3.00 and allows me to use my Bluetooth earbuds so I don’t drive my family nuts with the relentless beeping. Also, I may try to use it to help me prep for classifiers during a match. I tend to shoot them too slow or too fast, so I’ll calculate the time I know I’ll need and go to a safe area and run it a few times to get a feel for the speed needed to reach my goal. With the earbuds I’ll be able to run the timer as many times as I want and nobody will ever hear anything. It may not be worth the trouble, but I need to try something different. The app will occasionally glitch causing the second beep to come early, but it’s not a big deal. This happens mostly on my old iPad, but my newer iPhone works much better. The earbuds are inexpensive JLab brand at Walmart. They’re great for watching YouTube videos while making practice ammo. Just thought I’d share it with my shooting buds...
  7. Just4FunLP

    My Dillon 650XL Order Went in Yesterday

    I second the lights and MrBulletFeeder. The feeder was an expensive Christmas present, but’s man it really makes a huge difference. Now I prop up my IPad behind the reloader and watch/listen to shooting shows on YouTube. I can pump out a thousand rounds in a couple of hours. The lights are a big help too.
  8. Just4FunLP

    Stipple or Talon grips?

    I used Talon sandpaper grip tape for many years and they work great. They would always slip a little, so I’d have to add a few drops of super glue as needed. I don’t care if the glue is unsightly. I’d beat my gun with a rock if I thought it’d make me shoot better. I ran the grip tape on my Shadow with the standard rubber grips underneath, and then did the same thing with my Shadow 2. Eventually I noticed I was having a hard time slamming in the mags and reinstalled the original aluminum grips. After this the mags slipped right in every time. I found the mags were being slowed down from the friction of the rubber on the back side of the grips. Fortunately, VZ grips is right around the corner so I purchased some of their palm swells and weened my way off the grip tape. I also like to use grip enhancer lotion to make the fingers of the weak hand stick to the fingers of the strong hand. All this together seems to make a big difference.
  9. I’ve been using sprays to hose down my pistols for years now, and while they do work great, it’s expensive. Im thinking of buying a refillable aerosol sprayer and a gallon of CRC brake cleaner. This sprayer is $20 and the brake cleaner is $21. Anyone got a better idea?
  10. Just4FunLP

    Lawton's Wants to Make Production Master: Please Help!

    I think I see. Is it PractiScore Competitor? I tried that app a while back and, for some reason, it wouldn’t allow me to pull up a match, but now it’s working. I assume that if you’re looking at a match with a multi-string classifier it will show you the time on each string.
  11. Just4FunLP

    Lawton's Wants to Make Production Master: Please Help!

    Wow. That’s awesome! Which PractiScore app are you referring to, and how does it work?
  12. Just4FunLP

    Lawton's Wants to Make Production Master: Please Help!

    Thanks rowdyb. I use Stoegers dryfire book, and I loaned out his live fire book. Ive been working through his dryfire books for years now. I did work through his first live fire book and found it to be a big help. It forces you to work on a lot of skills that aren’t very fun, like shooting difficult targets around barriers and such. Maybe I’ll try Anderson’s book. Ive tried many different grips in the past. The Vogel grip is my all time favorite. Wrists twisting upward and creating all that tension really works wonders. The same is true for tightening the heels of my hands at the back of the grip. Also, shooting with my finger on the front of the trigger guard provides amazing control under recoil. It’s almost like shooting a rifle. The only problem with these techniques is that they take more time to aquire the grip. That’s every draw, mag change and move between shooting positions. It also seems to be a little slower between targets. When I took lessons from Shannon my biggest question was if he thought it was worth investing the time to make a big change in my grip. After he watched me shoot he said my grip and accuracy were fine. I needed to speed up. He was seeing the gun just sitting out there doing nothing before I broke my first shot. A lot of this is from that DA trigger. He worked with me for a long time to get me to break the shot as soon as I extended the pistol. Of course this was on very close targets. He said I had to know in my heart that the shot was going to be in the A zone and just pull the trigger. I’m able to do this now on close shots, but ten yard targets are a little different. I digress.. Basically I’m pretty satisfied with my grip when running a stage. I’d say my favorite all purpose grip is pretty standard stuff that Max and Shannon show in their videos. One thing that may be a little different is when my weak hand first makes contact with my strong hand I like to have the four fingers of my weak hand pointing slightly up. Then as I roll my hands out and extend my arms the index finger is applying a lot of upward force to the bottom of the trigger guard. When it’s done, those four weak hand fingers are actually under tension as they’re bending upwards. At the same time I’m getting a fairly high placement on the thumb side. Just before the buzzer goes off I cock my fingers on my weak hand up slightly to remind myself to make them land in that position. This finger tension definitely requires grip enhancer, especially in the Florida heat. I can achieve this grip when drawing on a field course, when reloading and changing positions. If I get this hand position right and the strong hand is high in the beaver tail, the gun feels like it’s welded into my hands and I can run it fast with confidence. It’s making this happen consistently on very fast draws that’s causing me issues. I’ll need a lot of reps. I really like Max Michel’s videos. He discribes his techniques step by step and is right to the point. He can cover everything you need to know in about 60 seconds. If you didn’t get it the first time, just watch it over and over. All th information is there. When he draws, he brings the index finger of his weak hand up to the trigger guard and then rolls the hand onto the strong hand as the gun comes out. This works awesome in most situations, but when I draw fast I end up slamming my index finger into the trigger guard so hard it hurts. I’ve even thought of covering my index finger with something to cushion the blow. I’ve been consentrating on making the move from the holster to the sights on target position one fast smooth movement. Maybe a little slower getting my grip in the gun in the holster, but making up for it with speed into target. It seems to be helping. Today I was watch a video of Stoeger shooting a classifier and noticed him wiggling his fingers just befor the buzzer to keep his hands sand arms loose. I do the exact opposite. I tend to tense up as I prepare not go. I tried it all loosey goosey a few times and it seemed to make a big difference. Wow. We’ve just about written a book and haven’t even moved onto the second target.
  13. Just4FunLP

    Lawton's Wants to Make Production Master: Please Help!

    I think you’re right. MemphisMechanic said the same thing the other day and I tried it during dryfire and it does make a difference. I saw a post a long time ago about how to stop faster on targets during transitions. One guy said to try driving the gun primarily with the weak hand instead of equally with both hands. I tried it back then and noticed an improvement in transitions, but I never dedicated any time to train on this. The other day I noticed a similar affect when I tried increasing weak hand pressure so maybe this will be a big help overall. During the draw I think that, for me, the trick is to achieve this weak hand crush grip as early as possible in the draw stroke. I’d say the goal is to draw into the target as quickly as possible and be prepared to fire as soon as the sights land on target. But if I’m still increasing weak hand pressure at the end of the draw my sights seem to be moving around a bit and throwing off my first shot. I’d appreciate any feedback on this... I guess the reason I’m posting all this is that I learned a lot from my day and a half with Shannon Smith, and found that the small details really matter. And since I’ve decided to push for Master, I need to reconsider everything I’m doing in a classifier. The techniques I’m using work pretty well, but they’re a bit sloppy and everything needs to be refined. Shannn said I was like a bull in a china shop. When I draw, reload or move to another position I do it with a lot of effort, which is commendable, but I need to smooth out the rough spots. So, I’m starting at the beginning. Right now my goal is to retrain myself to draw on a partial target and get two accurate hits while keeping the recoil under control, and do it very very fast. If I’m able to do this, I can usually perform well on the rest of the targets. If the first target doesn’t go well it all goes downhill. Next, I will be concentrating on transitions, followed by mag changes. In the past I’ve trained on too many things at once and tried to overcome sloppiness with maximum effort. While max effort is helpful, it’s not enough to take me where I want to be. I need max effort and perfect technique.
  14. Just4FunLP

    Lawton's Wants to Make Production Master: Please Help!

    I ran an 11lb hammer spring in my old SP01 Shadow for a couple of years but stayed with the 13lb when I got my Shadow 2. I can prep my trigger and shoot groups better with the 13lb spring. I just switched back to the 11lb spring and the DA first pull is much better. This may make more sense for shooting classifiers, because there’s not a lot of time for prepping the trigger anyway. I get about a 3lb SA pull with the 13lb spring and about 2lb with the 11lb spring. It is very light. I’ve never had a problem with keeping my finger out of the trigger between shooting positions, but every once in a while I will let one fly just before my sights land on the target. Never been DQd for it.
  15. Just4FunLP

    Lawton's Wants to Make Production Master: Please Help!

    Yes it does make sense. It’s just like any shot, easier shots require less sight picture and difficult shots require more. I’d say my biggest problem is when I’m running a classifier where my first shot is a partial at 10 yards with the DA trigger.
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