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  1. Let me clarify something. I started this thread, and I feel a little guilty of doing so. They didn’t reply to my attempts to contact them, so I wanted to find out what was going on. Over the years I’ve spent probably hundreds of hours searching for primers and powders, having to modify my loads based on what the manufacturer was kind enough to bless us with that month, but I could always count on Bayou Bullets. One post says they didn’t restrict the quantities earlier in the year, and that’s one reason they got so far behind. That sounds about right. If that’s the case I hope my post doesn’t coast them any business..
  2. I hope they get it all straightened out. My order was placed on May 4, and I received my shipping notification last week. Tuesday or Wednesday. As of Friday the “USPS” tracking data said that the shipping ticket had been printed, but it still hasn’t been picked up. I’ve got some experience with mailing, and I expect they ship these massive 50lb boxes of lead on large trucks when they’ve got a load. I worked for a company that mailed 1.5 million books a month, and we sorted by zip code for a better rate with USPS. They’d drop us a trailer and swap it out when it was full.
  3. Well, so much for "never see any videos of the primer manufacturing process". lol
  4. Farmer Yes, there's got to be strict procedures involved, for sure. I watched a video about a fireworks manufacturing company here in the US, and their safety procedures seemed to be pretty simple. They had a lot of small buildings spaced far enough apart so if one exploded it wouldn't blow up half the state. It was a small family company. This is a short article about the primer process. https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2020/3/5/ammunition-science-all-about-primers It's interesting how there are no photos of the primer manufacturing process. You can find all kinds of videos on cartridges, but not primers. Most manufacturing companies don't allow photos to be taken in their facilities, and there are areas where they don't even allow visitors. Let me tell you a little secret... sometimes it's not because they're hiding a super high-tech process, often it's because the process is super simple and anyone could do it, along with a few details that could be discovered with some "creative" research. They like to show photos of the front of their "high-tech" facility, along with some very carefully angled photos of their most sophisticated equipment. Sprinkle in a few guys with lab coats and they can make a dairy farm look like a nuclear research facility. lol... This, along with an awesome website can give the impression that they're so technologically advanced it would be financial suicide to try to compete. I'm certainly not saying breaking into primer manufacturing would be easy or cheap, but it's certainly not impossible. In fact, I've got an engineering school right around the corner, and one of the largest powder manufacturers in the country, maybe the world, about 45 minutes from my house. I think, with a chemist, a mechanical engineer, a machinist, and a few consultants, I could setup a very small pilot plant. Like tiny... The fist step would be to find a supplier for the chemicals. Usually, they're extremely helpful on the technical issues. If you're successful, they make money... Come up with an estimate on the regulatory stuff and then decide if you can proceed with a small test lab. The mechanical stuff looks like it would be pretty straight forward. Very similar to small metal cased transistors. If you ever work in an R&D environment you'll soon realize that these guys are really just a bunch of goobers, with various skills, being pushed along by another goober with access to funds. All they need to do is reverse engineer something that's been in production for over 150 years. Question is, why don't I do it? Because my wife would hit me in the head with a hammer for even mentioning it... lol
  5. You bring the equipment manufacturers into your facility and tell them to make new equipment based on the machines sitting on the floor. It’s really that simple. Most any square footage issue could be resolved in less than a year. If you’re low on engineering staff, you assign one senior engineer to lead the project and transfer a few from other departments, then backfill their slots with new guys. Maybe relocate your primer production to a larger existing facility. I was involved with relocating a manufacturing plant from Canada to the US. We did it without interrupting output. It happens all the time. Now, I saw a video from a guy who claimed to have inside info. He said the way they’ve handled these sudden increases in demand in past was to just hold tight and wait till he political climate changed and everything eventually settled down. That’s smart business. He said they’ve recognized the market has now changed, and recreational shooting has skyrocketed. Demand is here to stay. His sources say they’ve pulled the trigger on the capital investments needed to make it happen. There are a lot of “sources” and “they” in all this, but it is the most logical thing I’ve heard about the subject. Unfortunately, I think this has more to do with cartridges, not primers for reloaders. If they are “trying as hard as they can”, why don’t they have someone come out and say they’re dedicated to supporting there customers in the reloading community, and then explain what they’re doing to make it happen. I’m not holding my breath… I don’t blame them, it’s a free market, let someone else produce primers. It would be interesting to see, if someone else tried to break into the market, would big ammo then flood the market to drive them under.
  6. I’ve been in manufacturing all my life. They CAN increase production. Just like petroleum producing countries, they control production to suit their needs. It’s not evil, they’re doing what’s right for their shareholders. A primer manufacturer who was dedicated to supplying the reloading market would increase production to meet the demand.
  7. The order I placed on April 3rd finally shipped…. Unfortunately they probably lost a customer…. Too bad. If the big Ammo manufacturers keep manipulating the primer market I’ll be moving onto other hobbies.
  8. I ordered some Summit City bullets that someone recommended above. They shipped quickly and had good prices. I haven't tried them yet....
  9. Yeah. My order was placed on April 3. I tried their number a few weeks ago and only got a busy signal, and they haven’t responded to emails. I’ve ordered Bullets to try from another vendor. Hate to do that. I’ve been a customer foe a long time.
  10. Dillon recommends that you do not use the sizing die ahead of there trim die, but instead just use a universal decapping die. Because the trim die does the sizing it grips the case tightly and prevents the case from spinning. Now, because I ordered a carbide trim die it's got an extremely long lead time. In the interim, I decided to go with a Lyman trim die. The instructions with the Lyman die says to size before the die. Exactly the opposite of the Dillon procedure. My problem was that if I set the Lyman trim die to have a reasonable amount of neck protruding for the cutter the cases got stuck. I had to set it so there was barely any material sticking out of the top of the die. In fact the cutter actually makes contact with the die. See my photo above. If I backed the Lyman die out enough to allow the case to spin there wouldn't be any material exposed for the cutter. Increasing the amount of lube on my cases also helped prevent them from sticking in the Lyman trim die. What trim die are you using? Are you sizing ahead of the trim die?
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