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Current load (subject to change at any moment because I am just that kind of guy) Sig MPX carbine 115 MG JHP 5.4 Silhouette 1.118 OAL Wolf SRP until I use them all up and then back to Winchester SPP Last load was 121 MG JHP 4.3 N320 1.130 Wolf SRP I like the dot movement a bit more with the 115s but as always, YMMV.

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Well, that is no bueno....

Max Leograndis got DQed? Ouch. :-( Anyone know what happened?

Great ideas. Maybe a timer with the ability to have presets for sensitivity and or a directional mike would work. I will try fiddling with our presets first to see how much it helps the issue. Thanks!

Thanks for the effort and helpful input Paul. Ray, I was just referencing your comment about being told your club would not have to anything to accommodate PCC, and trying to keep this thread on an admittedly narrow track. I appreciate everything you are doing for PCC at your club. What I am trying to do here is to focus on some tech way to make ROing PCC shooters easier for ROs through tech, either adjusting sensitivity or some low cost modification to timers or some way I don't even know about.

Hmmm, that is a bummer. Yeah Chuck, I alternate between my Open gun that has ROs trying to triple plug or hand the timer off to somebody else and my MPX which even with non-subsonic rounds sounds like somebody popping bubble wrap. I never feel RO love when I step to the line :-)

I'm sorry, I missed the part where I said I had any plans to fund a nationwide campaign. MBX does make a really nice comp however I believe it currently leaves the barrel at just under 16" unless Adrian has come out with a more recent version. Yet again I will ask you to stay on topic. I get your position. Everybody gets it. You are not going to do a single thing at your club for PCC and PCCers need to mod their equipment. That is certainly your prerogative but this thread is for discussion among those who are willing and want to look at other ways improve a perceived problem. If you would like to contribute to that please do. If not, please start another thread or join one where debate of PCC is the topic.

The idea was not to mic up for PCC shooters but to have permanent timers with a directional mike on them which is used exactly the same for every shooter. I even indicated I would buy the equipment so it would not be a problem for the club and require no additional duties on a RO. Your comment that the proposal is unduly burdensome is ridiculous. I agree ROs need to be watching shooters not timers and I don't think that is a good way to go. Having to reshoot because I am running 135 PF out of a MPX which does not easily accept a comp without an accompanying tax stamp (thanks SIG for the odd barrel length) is kind of a pita but maybe on me. Frankly I bring enough ammo and if I get to shoot more stages than anyone else for the same entry fee I won't be crying. The bigger concern is about last shots not being picked up giving some competitors better scores than they earned or at a minimum tainting a great run with the last shots not captured argument. I would really like this thread to focus on ways to improve this situation and not descend into something else. Thanks for everyone's suggestions and brainstorming on this. Keep it coming!

Not being snippy here at all but if 4 $69 shotgun mikes solves the issue for our club I will pay for them myself. I do think stage designs which do not have the shooter finishing up against a barricade/barrels/wall/moat of alligators on the right helps a whole lot. For the rest of the course I just don't think you can say you need the RO piggybacking the competitor. I am 62 and nobody is going to mistake me for Usain Bolt holding a timer so when one of the young bucks starts to sprint uprange for the next array of targets I am either leaving way before they do or I get run over. No bueno.

Paul, I was hoping it would plug into the audio jack of a shot timer if they have one. I never checked on the ones we use at our range.

I'm thinking something like this plugged into the microphone jack of a timer might work?? https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATR-6550-Condenser-Shotgun-Microphone/dp/B002GYPS3M/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1503335978&sr=8-6&keywords=boom+mic+for+iphone

Roy, they get waived through chrono along with anyone running 9 grains of Longshot in their SC.

Yeah, that is along the lines of what I was thinking. I may just need to get a couple different times and try them all out under game situations.

It does, frankly it is annoying. The other potential issue with that is a shooter having what he knows is a bad run can easily move into the RO (on accident of course) and score a reshoot. I know....unsportsmanlike conduct but intent is hard to prove when someone is that close.

I should probably add that the problem is usually made much worse where the stage design winds up with the shooter in a position where the RO can not get on the right side, usually due to barricades of some sort. A stand and deliver classifier is way less of an issue than field courses. As to training we normally try to get seasoned folks on the clock but we average around 100 shooters a match with no dedicated ROs and like I said, even we experienced ones have trouble at times. Non-comped 16" barrels are the worst.

Okay, there has to be a fix for this. We are seeing a large increase in PCC shooters (yea) but with that an unacceptable level of runs where not a single shot registers on the timer or clearly the last sequence is not picked up. (The D class shooter who finishes dead last on every other stage but crushes the second best stage time on one). This results in PCCers bringing twice the ammo so we can shoot everything twice, inaccurate results, and huge doubts about the validity of match results because of a general lack of confidence that the timer accurately picked up the last shot of your and your competitors' runs. This has gotten bad enough that conscientious ROS are riding up on the backs of competitors in ways that require a marriage license in 13 states. What I am looking for here is a technology fix, not the "train your ROs better " answer. Can this be done with turning the sensitivity of the chronos way up without ending up with extra time from the Open shooter in the next bay? Selfie poles?? Directional mics on timers??? What if anything is working out there?

Most 'smiths open it to between .060 and .065. I believe, but am not certain ZRT goes to .065. Gen IIs come choked down to .045.

SNS moly 125s hit the rifeling at 1.128. I load those to 1.120. Precision Deltas 124s will go out somewhere past 1.160 which is my preferred length.

I actually agree with you Sergio. Indian not the arrow thing. I might move up a place or three with the MPX but I actually like having the best gun I can (particularly if I tweak it to get it there) as an end unto itself. I don't doubt for a second that our scores would improve more if we took all the money we spent on changing the gun around and put it into ammo for quality practice. :-)

I have an MPX. To my mind it does need to be modded for our game. You might like the stock but most people, including me hate it. Add an adapter and AR stock. Toss the trigger and put in a Hiperfire. That is more bucks. The handguard is about the size of a sewer pipe. Add in a CF smaller diameter handguard. Lastly is the gas port issue. With the Gen 2 they decreased the gas port size because the suppressor boys were complaining about getting gassed in the face. You have a couple options. 1. Shoot ammo at around 140ish PF. 2. Load slow burning powder which lets you get down to 130 but you have more dot movement than is optimal. 3. Have the gas port opened to .060 by one of the couple of gunsmiths who do this so you can run fast powders at 130. This of course is more money. Once you do all of this you will have a great PCC that has almost no recoil or dot movement with dead nuts reliable 40 round magazines. Is this the least expensive path? Hell no. In the end is it a dang impressive platform? Bet your ass. The Scorpion is a perfectly serviceable weapon after you swap out the trigger and safeties but I have several friends who have switched from Scorpions to the MPX for what that is worth.

LOL Actually most machinists won't do that. ;-)

ZR Tactical. Did great work on mine. The hard part isn't necessarily opening up the port but getting the gas block off. Most machinists will struggle with that.

Heaviest springs = lightest pull. The geometry is unique to this trigger. Another benefit is you don't need to worry as much about light primer strikes.

Using a HF 24C for over 3,500 rounds. No issues.