Magsz

The ergo's are quite good. The overall package that is offered is quite good, ie nice grip angle decent texture, excellent serrations fore and aft. The problem lies in the trigger. Its garbage, like, pure garbage. Its just plain bad. After a bazillion rounds (rentals) the triggers tend to clean up a bit but they're still heavy. Couple this with almost no aftermarket support (as you mentioned) and we are left with a platform that is hard to set up for gun games. To the best of my knowledge no one even makes a recoil rod so that we can tune the recoil impulse to our ammo. THAT right there is a MAJOR reason for me why im hesitant to put down money on one.

Question. I have the same guide rod. Do you guys find that the guide rod doesn't seem to sit properly once the gun Is assembled? When in battery, the guide rod appears to be pointing up. The gun cycles and functions fine so im thinking that perhaps im over thinking this...

I have an FM products lower and I too and looking for a magwell. I went ahead and emailed Bmiller so we will see.

I will mirror what a lot of others have said. DK, Johnny, Vanek, all fantastic. My latest love is my Zevtech Flat Faced pro trigger. Holy...s#!t... With the following im getting a 2 pound 11 ounce break that is crisp as can be, with no over travel. Zev Trigger Wolf 4.5lb striker Wolf reduced power firing pin block spring Zev Pro connector SUPER stoked to run this as im amazed at how crisp and smooth this trigger is after simply dropping it in. Zev trigger's in the past have been rather finicky with their adjustment screws losing their settings even with Loctite. This thing has no adjustment screws and should be more reliable but time will tell. I really, really, really dig the flat face as it fits my finger well and is very easy to index on.

Key words being, "if they submit the paperwork".

Those appear to be gen 1-4?

I did a google search for extended/lightened gen 5 strikers last night. I came up with a few but they were all out of stock. Is there a preferred aftermarket striker solution? I believe i found the DK, Glockstore and one other whose name escapes me right now.

All I have is speculation at this point based off of third party information. Its nothing concrete and nothing to base a future decision off of.

Explain the science please.

Hey bud, Im not normally one to pass off hearsay but the info is coming from some friends in the FBI who have spoken with Trijicon sales reps. Other than that, I dont have anything concrete as this is all third party info.

This is all very true but the RMR footprint is going the way of the dodo. Ive been reading that Trijicon is going to redesign the next iteration of the RMR to accommodate a different cut. Given the price of this thing, the slide wont stand the test of time. Yes, I know, nothing lasts forever.

Cool man. As i said before, the price is hard to stomach as my threshold for performance per dollar so to speak runs at about the 500 dollar duty range lol. Ive had nice CZ shadows before and while those pistols were nice, I always felt the price was hard to stomach. I am SO tempted by this thing but there are a few things holding me back. I dont like that its not future proof, ie the slide is only cut for an RMR which i absolutely despise. The blue lens, 1.1ish magnification and horrible track record for reliability push me towards something else. I could have the slide milled for the Agency AOS but at that point, im back to retail on the thing which i find even harder to stomach. I really hope ZEV will eventually release a the chassis and the lower by itself without the slide, allowing me to add the slide of my choice with the optics cut of my choice. There is information around stating that they will, i just hope its sooner rather than later. I definitely understand why they DONT want to do this right now...

Can anyone comment on their subjective idea regarding recoil characteristics? Im super curious about how this feels compared to say a G17.5 which has noticeably softer recoil than a G17.4. I really want to love this gun. I handled one in a gun store and instantly lusted over it. At retail, its too expensive for me but with my LEO discount, the pricing is a little more in line with what I would be comfortable spending. Having said that, its still a very expensive Glock which kills me inside as a Glock is a Glock is a Glock to me.

Say what? I have one in my gun safe....they've been available since day one...

Pat, Have you brought this to the attention of Hudson? If so, what have they said?

Memphis, what's your deal lately bud? You're jumping down the throats of ALOT Of people. Unless someone knows something that we all dont, there is really no way that pistola is DA/SA, it definitely looks striker fired. IF it is DA/SA, unless we are all missing something, ie a decocking lever on the side of the gun, we are definitely not going to be able to run that thing in production as we arent able to physically decock it. (again, unless we are missing something)

I would be REALLY surprised if we ever see this here. Its a niche pistol that so few of us want, I really dont know if an importer would jump on this. IF they do jump on it, I would imagine we are going to see a street price of 3-4k but man, i REALLY hope that's not the case as that thing looks FUN!

I too was in the same boat many years ago when the 1.0's first came out. For the life of me I could not shoot the Shield on par with any of my other handguns, even guns similar in size. Hell, I shot my LCP .380 better than my shield which is an absolute BEAR to shoot. I really do believe it came down to a few things. 1. The stock trigger had a HUGE amount of overtravel. Without absolutely PERFECT trigger press technique and follow through your accuracy is going to suffer. 2. 90% of the pull weight was on the sear break and the break itself was EXTREMELY sharp. Again, without absolutely PERFECT trigger mechanics, my accuracy suffered. 3. The grip shape is very narrow and VERY round which left very little of the gun to hang onto. Tracking my sights was extremely difficult. My solutions were as follows: 1. I added an Apex trigger kit which solved the over travel issue and brought the sear break weight down to a little over four pounds. WAY easier to shoot now. 2. Number one solved number 2 as the apex sear while very crisp adds the slightest bit of roll to the trigger. 3. Talon grips grip tape added a little bit of extra girth to the grip. Ultimately I did end up selling the gun as i could never really warm up to it. If you have no defined need for the pistol then I would say sell it as its too small to be a "fun" gun in my eyes. Also, dont go to a gunsmith to have them work on the sear. You're cutting through surface hardening and leaving softer metal exposed. The factory sears are case hardened, not through hardened. Good luck bud!

I really, really, really enjoy my Vogel Dynamic sights but with my 135 grain round nose flat points at 133k power factor I too noticed that the factory sights were printing high. I really wanted to keep that rear sight so I went ahead and picked up a taller Dawson front sight to replace the Vogel sight. I WISH I could have kept the vogel front sight as I think Dawson sights are made out of chocolate rather than quality steel but they serve their purpose well enough.

The factory extended FBI release is fantastic. Just enough extra length to make reaching the mag release a breeze. I have short, stubby thumbs and this part works wonders for me.

A trigger return spring has nothing to do with light strikes, zero, zilch nada bud. Something was probably assembled wrong and when the gun was taken apart to change the trigger return spring, it was reassembled correctly.

VERY odd trigger safety.

Are the safeties on the shadow 2 reliable enough to be dumped in a box and stay on? The X5 has no safety so you never have to worry about a DQ.

What trigger is that?! Looks pretty neat albeit with a long "length of pull".

This is going to be a gun to watch as it develops and evolves. It is incredibly soft shooting and the company seems VERY receptive towards advancing their platform as well as taking care of their customers.