MJinPA Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Berdan primed brass 223! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1A4ME Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Lee dies have a couple of good features. One is the price. The other is that collet set up for the primer punch/pin. When I run into one of those it just pushes the pin/shaft up through the collet. Required a resetting of the pin, but at least nothing breaks. I wonder where that stuff came from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I'm glad someone else has been cursed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJinPA Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 Lee dies have a couple of good features. One is the price. The other is that collet set up for the primer punch/pin. When I run into one of those it just pushes the pin/shaft up through the collet. Required a resetting of the pin, but at least nothing breaks. I wonder where that stuff came from?So do I! And, this is actually a Lee die. Processed about 5k 223 before this evil head stamp showed up. Wasn't until I bent the 2nd pin that I realized it was berdan primed. Just ordered 2 more pins and sorted the remaining 2000 cases. Found 11 more of these mixed in...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 After breaking my first pin many moons ago I decided it was a good idea to keep a 10 pack of pins on the reloading bench from that day forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech32 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just did the exact same thing Sunday. Even cut the case just like you did to confirm my suspicions. Whoever brings that crap to the range should be publically caned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJinPA Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just did the exact same thing Sunday. Even cut the case just like you did to confirm my suspicions. Whoever brings that crap to the range should be publically caned.Dilly, dilly!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Lee dies are good for not breaking pins on berdan primed cases. usually the pin just gets pushed up. Anyone know why companies still use berdan primed cases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken6PPC Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 56 minutes ago, stick said: Anyone know why companies still use berdan primed cases? Does anyone believe that ammo manufacturers WANT us to reload? Edited January 17, 2018 by Ken6PPC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Ken6PPC said: Does anyone believe that ammo manufacturers WANT us to reload? True! never thought of that. Probably why they started using stepped brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJinPA Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 True! never thought of that. Probably why they started using stepped brass.Also probably why even Wolf gold is crimped! I always kick myself in the ass when I decide to load a bunch of 223 plinking rounds. Last winter I did 3000 and said never again. This winter I looked at my bin of brass and said "nope" but started processing it the next week. I guess it gives me something to do when shooting slows down in the winter months. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, M1A4ME said: Lee dies have a couple of good features. One is the price. The other is that collet set up for the primer punch/pin. When I run into one of those it just pushes the pin/shaft up through the collet. Required a resetting of the pin, but at least nothing breaks. I wonder where that stuff came from? @M1A4ME and @4n2t0 ... you mean you guys haven’t discovered the hardened lee depriming pins from Squirrel Daddy? The name is strange, but the product is solid. Bent three factory Lee pins in two weeks time, once. Can’t manage to hurt the SD one. On anything. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018V7L3C2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_rO3xAbV6A92ZG Edited January 17, 2018 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1A4ME Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Thanks for that link. I'll see about ordered a set and try them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJinPA Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 [mention=64478]M1A4ME[/mention] and [mention=57732]4n2t0[/mention] ... you mean you guys haven’t discovered the hardened lee depriming pins from Squirrel Daddy? The name is strange, but the product is solid. Bent three factory Lee pins in two weeks time, once. Can’t manage to hurt the SD one. On anything. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018V7L3C2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_rO3xAbV6A92ZG Finally something good came out of this thread I ordered 2 more Lee 223 pins for $15 from amazon. Wish I would have seen this first. Hopefully I don't break another but if I do I'll go to squirrel daddy!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillon Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I believe 83 is South African military ammunition. Not sure who imported it, but this is the second time I've heard of this headstamp breaking pins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) This is what I do: Stick the decapping pin in with a piece of deprimed brass fully seated in the first station. Drop it through the flash hole, retract it about half a milimeter, and lock it down. Take a cutoff wheel in a dremel and put a small mark on the side of the pin sticking out the top of fhe die, flush with the top. Whenever military berdan primers shove the pin up into the die? You just loosen it, realign the mark cut into the in, and retorque it. A ratcheting 1/2” gearwrench comes in really handy. Edited January 17, 2018 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said: @M1A4ME and @4n2t0 ... you mean you guys haven’t discovered the hardened lee depriming pins from Squirrel Daddy? The name is strange, but the product is solid. Bent three factory Lee pins in two weeks time, once. Can’t manage to hurt the SD one. On anything. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018V7L3C2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_rO3xAbV6A92ZG I use Dillon dies but I've still managed to break/bend a few pins in my day. I get 10 pins for $8 so it's not a huge burden on the wallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Primer History: http://www.allaboutguns.net/Berdan-Primers.html Funny that the Berdan primers were invented here and the Boxer primers in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I bent a Lee Universal decapper on a Berdan 9mm. I was going through a box of what was marked "crimped primer" brass and meant to decap and decrimp in idle time. Some places still load Berdan because 1. They are tooled up for it and 2. It is cheaper. With the anvil formed as part of the case, there is one less little piece to make and assemble for a Boxer. Which may be why they tooled up for it in the first place. In ancient history, the Berdan had the advantage of holding more of a "cooler" mix, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Staff Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 9 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said: @M1A4ME and @4n2t0 ... you mean you guys haven’t discovered the hardened lee depriming pins from Squirrel Daddy? The name is strange, but the product is solid. Bent three factory Lee pins in two weeks time, once. Can’t manage to hurt the SD one. On anything. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018V7L3C2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_rO3xAbV6A92ZG I was going to recommend Squirrel Daddy's pins as well - have a few on hand for my Lee USD, plus always have a few spare pins for my Dillon dies as well. Get the 10pk for the Dillon they are not expensive and you'll like never need all of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noylj Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Well, foreign is ALWAYS better. Thus, the US decided that the British had the right idea so we went with Boxer priming and Europe decided that the US was right and went to Berdan priming (with the advantage of making handloading more difficult for their serfs/subjects/peons). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech32 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 16 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said: This is what I do: Stick the decapping pin in with a piece of deprimed brass fully seated in the first station. Drop it through the flash hole, retract it about half a milimeter, and lock it down. Take a cutoff wheel in a dremel and put a small mark on the side of the pin sticking out the top of fhe die, flush with the top. Whenever military berdan primers shove the pin up into the die? You just loosen it, realign the mark cut into the in, and retorque it. A ratcheting 1/2” gearwrench comes in really handy. How do you tell what is the correct torque? Too tight and pins break. Too loose and primers don't get pushed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) @Tech32 Squirrel Daddy pins don’t break. That’s the entire point of the upgrade. I don’t think you should even run the Lee die with the factory pin - I’d upgrade a new one immediately. Edited January 18, 2018 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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