Flexmoney Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 It's great for your match points. But, at the end of the day, if your shooting is summed-up by "I shot Stage x and Stage z pretty good"...well, that just sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn jones Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 flex, what are you saying? a stage win is not important? if i trash a stage, i think i can salvage a match by taking a stage or two, don't you? lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Winning only the classifier, the measly little 60-point stage in the 670 point match, that's what sucks. Shooting horrendously slow on the 200-point monster stage, double suck, as Orwell might have said. Flex, I guess you summed up my A2DC match. Out of 10 stages, I shot stages 1 and 4 pretty well. I guess that just sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted November 17, 2003 Author Share Posted November 17, 2003 I am saying the only thing that really matters is the final standings. I want to shoot the whole match well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 The guy who wins a stage or two, and falls off the edge on the rest, will never win the match. The guy who's up toward the top on every stage is probably going to be walking to the podium when all is said and done. Now, realistically, if you have the skill level you're going to win stages. But that's not the goal, it's just a secondary byproduct of a good skill set and proper mental game. Or that's my theory, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted November 17, 2003 Author Share Posted November 17, 2003 ... realistically, if you have the skill level you're going to win stages. But that's not the goal, it's just a secondary byproduct .... Yeah...what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Plus, you have to be aware of the effect that winning a stage has on your mental game. Don't "sit back and relax" after a stage win. Or over-confidence...also a great thing to have when you've nailed that 60 point stage. Winning a stage WILL influence your mental state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Well said Flex. Smoking stages early on can be hard on the mental game. When the RO says, "best time of the day, you won the stage" and they don't even know your POINTS yet...that can get in your head. Excellent point. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 It is an excellent post. On the cusp of "B" class, and I now look at the whole match, not just a particular stage. SA tagged it, it get's in your head and you feel either incredibly high or incredibly low. So don't let those little things in anymore and wait for the end result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 In many ways of life i have found that it is not the little successes that we must look at, do you grow tired of looking at the fence posts or gard rails as you look out the side window of your car. if you focus on where you are your vision is blurry, but if you look forward to where you want to be your vision is perfect. The rear view mirror is small, a reminder of where we have been. there is a reason the windshield is so much larger. focus on what is ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmist10 Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 Nice post Smoney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 20, 2008 Author Share Posted July 20, 2008 Speaking of things I noticed... I just noticed this thread...and then realized that Steve A. used my title in his 2nd book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullauto_Shooter Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 I'm a little confused. I thought the whole goal of shooting was to win stages. I've often heard that you shouldn't focus on winning the whole match, but instead focus on just one stage at a time - that if you perform consistently well on EVERY stage, your match performance as a whole will take care of itself. In my very simple way of thinking, it seems that the quest for a match win is a lot like eating an elephant - you've got to do it one bite at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 That is the goal. The point is you shouldn't be going into stages trying to win them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonT Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 While reading through this thread I thought, OMG I've never seen so many GM's post on one thread before and this is good stuff. Then I noticed the date and am really curious, how many were GM's in 2003. You guys had vision Thanks for bringing this back Flex. I would have never dug that deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 21, 2008 Author Share Posted July 21, 2008 Back in 2003...we talked about shooting. Now, we see more and more gear queers wanting to improve their game with their credit card. (we saw it then too, but we were on the quest and didn't let gear chasing distract us). Dig deep. Great info to be found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Winning stages may work at the local club match, but you just have to take it 1 shot at a time at the bigger matches. I gave up all of my goals of trying to get a stage win or tying to be top whatever. Now my goal for every match is to call every shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 (edited) Now, we see more and more gear queers wanting to improve their game with their credit card. Well Flex for some it's easier to "whip it out" (The Visa card) than do the work. Edited July 21, 2008 by Crusher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38superman Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 (edited) I don't know if I'd say winning stages sucks. I recently won my first stage ever and had to beat some pretty good shooters to do it. That was never a specific goal. I never walk up to the firing line thinking "I'm going to try to win this stage". My mental dialog tends more toward: "watch your front sight" "call your shots" "slow down and make sure you get that steel 1 for 1" "move your butt" I was going about my business and it just happened. However, I see it as a milestone or tipping point in my progress. What it means to me is that my fundamentals have become solid enough that I can win. Now I just have to work on the mental game and become more consistent. Tls Edited July 22, 2008 by 38superman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann the Horrible Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 We have a shooter at the club that we call Master Yoda(he has this cute hanging ears). He teaches taking the safe route around a stage, making sure of the Alphas. Few competitors take his advice until we realize the guy was national champion several times. He seldom wins a stage but ends up no lower that 3rd on every stage. At the end he just always seems to be the guy smiling at the camera with a piece of silverware in his grubby little paws. Currently he is as blind as a bat and approaching the Super Senior class but still gets his face in the paper more often than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 "gear queers" Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Guy came by the range the other day and said "that's cheating, you're practicing!". I said "I don't know an easier way to get better". ... That said, one of my cherished awards is a solitary stage win medal from the Columbus Cup in Panama. Seems some guy named Grauffel also shot the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UW Mitch Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I'm not good enough to win stages or matches (yet, hopefully). What I do try to achieve during matches is consistency from stage to stage. I won "first U" once beating out a friend who beat my handily on every stage, except one big one. Being consistent allowed me to place higher than someone who on most stages was shooting better than me. I'd take a stage win if I could, but I'd also like to continue being consistent throughout a match at whatever level that happens to be. ~Mitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I understand what your point is Flex, but when you start winning a few stages the confidence and consistent performance are soon to follow.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I understand what your point is Flex, but when you start winning a few stages the confidence and consistent performanceare soon to follow.......... Not really. It's a self perpetuating cycle. If you are winning some stages and blowing other stages - your confidence takes just as big of a hit both ways. At best you are right back where you started (I also consider being stagnant the same as falling behind). Bottom line is consistent performance is never going to happen until you decide you want it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now