RGC Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Considering moving to the 4.6" club from a 5" 2011. Anyone else made the switch? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick303 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) From discussion on the board it seems like this is completely personal preference. I would shoot the 4.6" before switching. I have never had a 5 " 2011 and the Atlas Athena comes as a 4.6" gun, and I cannot see any gained benefit other than weight going with a 5" 2011. I like the weight of the Athena and think it is well balanced while not being heavy. 9mm so reoil is not really a thing with that gun with proper grip. I will say I love the Sig AXG Full Size (4.7" barrel size) much more vs any 5" P320 I have shot, which I have just about shot all of the P320 5" variants. Edited October 30, 2023 by Boomstick303 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMedic Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I shot a Athena and Titan side by side before I chose the RDS titan. With the Athena I feel like the reddot stabilized a bit faster when the slide was forward after a shot, but snappier on recoil. The Titan was pretty much what I expected from a 5 inch 2011. I Didn't feel like the "faster" settling reddot as so much a advantage when shooting at speed vs having a little softer recoiling gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 5 hours ago, Boomstick303 said: I would shoot the 4.6" before switching. This. ^^^^^^^ They feel different with the same load. Try one before you buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 i've shot a ton of 9mm 1911 (one tri-topped slide and one gi-profile slide), and now I have a staccato 4.4" 2011 with a pretty standard slide. I don't know that the difference is dramatic enough for me to care, but if I were choosing from scratch, I would *probably* choose a 5" gun with a lightened slide. Like others say, I would try them back to back and see. It seems to me like the shorter gun comes back to exactly where the dot left from, but it may bounce slightly higher too. One slight advantage to the longer barrel is you'll definitely get a few pf points out of it, so you can load 1-2 tenths lighter, but all in all, barrel length is not one of the things I would really worry about if I already had a gun that ran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 FWIW, I prefer whatever gets the sights back to zero the fastest. For me that's a longer gun, lightened slide, gun tuned to the load. It also means lighter rather than heavier bullets. I'd rather have more recoil, or the same recoil, but snappier if the sights return quicker. The only exception to this is forward falling steel matches with 9mm. If I have to shoot 9 minor in these matches, I go for 147s at 144 PF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunBugBit Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I’ve shot 9mm in PFs ranging from 122 to 134 and never had trouble knocking down steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Only time was when some joker put a spinner in a steel match. That was a huge advantage for heavy PF loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Id probably just lighten the slide you have.. End up with the same weight slide, but maintain the heavier non cycling barrel. I mean the differences on the clock probably amount to didly squat. We are talkign minor in a what 50 oz gun ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 37 minutes ago, shred said: Only time was when some joker put a spinner in a steel match. That was a huge advantage for heavy PF loads. so you would think, but in a 1911-only match a couple years ago, i got my clock cleaned by a little girl shooting 9mm on a heavy-azz spinner (i was shooting 45 and I don't suck at spinners). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, motosapiens said: so you would think, but in a 1911-only match a couple years ago, i got my clock cleaned by a little girl shooting 9mm on a heavy-azz spinner (i was shooting 45 and I don't suck at spinners). Turns out you could shoot the match I'm referring to twice. I brought a few heavy 9 loads for that spinner the next time and it was way easier and faster, so yeah, so I think. I only beat Jerry Miculek at the TX State falling steel match once though, so YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, shred said: I beat Jerry Miculek at a falling steel match once though, so YMMV. he's a noob, remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, motosapiens said: he's a noob, remember? Yeah, crazy enough to click the trigger 6 times on a misfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) It has been my experience that heavy bullets with higher PFs make forward falling poppers fall more quickly. The club I shoot falling steel at mostly only allows forward falling poppers. There is often an array of eight. Four in front and four behind. With 115s or 124s at 132 PF, you have to hit all front four before the first has fallen enough for you to get a shot at the rear popper in the calibration zone. With 147s at 144 PF you can shoot the front rear after you hit the front second. Actually, it is much to zip across the front four, then the back four with no delay. Much faster than with lighter loads. Edited November 1, 2023 by zzt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGC Posted November 1, 2023 Author Share Posted November 1, 2023 20 minutes ago, zzt said: It has been my experience that heavy bullets with higher PFs make forward falling poppers fall more quickly. The club I shoot falling steel at mostly only allows forward falling poppers. There is often an array of eight. Four in front and four behind. With 115s or 124s at 132 PF, you have to hit all front four before the first has fallen enough for you to get a shot at the rear popper in the calibration zone. With 147s at 144 PF you can zip across the front four, then the back four with no delay. Much faster than with lighter loads. Actually never though about this but In Canada all clubs require front dropping steel. In Georgia any which way….. Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRPOperator Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 I have both, and I prefer the 5 inch. Like others said just preference. I just like the dot is a little more stable with less flip. Not that there is much in 9mm to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillywig Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 I think the shorter gun looks cooler. That gotta be worth something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGC Posted November 28, 2023 Author Share Posted November 28, 2023 Pat Rafferty has my 5” almost ready to send to the coaster. 5” it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 I think they feel vary different and would also recommend trying them. And if you can shoot some 125's and some 147's out of both. I tend to like the gun to be faster and snappier. With striker fired guns I don't notice it, but with a 5" 2011 and 147's the recoil impulse feels weird to me. My 5" guns are sprung light and have shock buffers to shorten the stroke and help speed up the gun. Not that I really out run it I'm sure, I just don't like the chunky feeling of the longer guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGC Posted November 28, 2023 Author Share Posted November 28, 2023 39 minutes ago, RGC said: Pat Rafferty has my 5” almost ready to send to the coaster. 5” it is! Coaster….. Coater. Not kidding stuck on an island in Greece after ferry cancelled and only have my iPad w my reading glasses back in the hotel in Athens,..lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dfehr401 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Not to hi jack Op. But does an island barrel make a different on both lengths? Slide should move fast but the added weight might not be worth it? I dont know I really want an Island barrel thet look cool ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 I just got a Staccato XL (5.4") two weeks ago and it shoots softer/flatter than my P and XC. It is a pure joy to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davsco Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 On 12/16/2023 at 9:34 AM, RangerTrace said: I just got a Staccato XL (5.4") two weeks ago and it shoots softer/flatter than my P and XC. It is a pure joy to shoot. the xc is 5" barrel and then a comp, or 5" with the comp/port? i'd think just slightly shorter than the xl but with a comp/port, the xc would be the flatter/softer one, but guess not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 4 hours ago, davsco said: the xc is 5" barrel and then a comp, or 5" with the comp/port? i'd think just slightly shorter than the xl but with a comp/port, the xc would be the flatter/softer one, but guess not. THe XC us a 4.6" barrel with a single port comp to make 5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davsco Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 11 hours ago, RangerTrace said: THe XC us a 4.6" barrel with a single port comp to make 5" gotcha. couple of guys were shooting XC's in Open at a local 2 gun match, seemed like a pretty smooth gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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