MemphisMechanic Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) Like the CZ guys, M&Ps with factory barrels have very short chambers. Unlike you CZ guys, they are hardened and cannot be reamed/throated. My girl shoots matches with me occasionally, and she has an M&P. We we all know profile & ogive vary from bullet to bullet. Which heavier bullets (124, 130, 135, or 147) have you guys found were the most friendly to guns like a CZ or M&P with a really short chamber? I'm looking for something in that weight that will let me load to 1.120"+ for both her gun and mine. (My Tanfoglio has been throated and I usually feed it 1.150" loads.) Edited March 3, 2017 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviSS Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I tried several 147s and Blue Bullets let me load the longest in CZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Bayou 147gr TC loads shorter than BBI 147 RN, and about the same as blue, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 SNS 147 loads let me load longer than Blue Bullets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionaryMike Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Acme 147 load considerably longer than BBI 147 I used to use. . Bayou 135 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta391 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I could load 147 coated FP Ibejiheads to 1.15 for my cz shadow and passed the plunk test. That said my accuracy and load turned out best at 1.125 so that's where I ended up. They are very soft thru my M&P which is a plus from the snappier 124's. Good luck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoKimberDave Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Blue Bullets 147 work best for me. I load up to 1.125 and have never had a problem plunking or feeding. Know several guys loading and using these in CZ's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 3 hours ago, LeviSS said: I tried several 147s and Blue Bullets let me load the longest in CZ. How long was that? 2 hours ago, cheby said: SNS 147 loads let me load longer than Blue Bullets How long was that? 1 hour ago, MissionaryMike said: Acme 147 load considerably longer than BBI 147 I used to use. . Bayou 135 as well. How long was that? The Bayou 135 is a bullet I like. I've always liked the way 135s shoot nearly as soft as 147s yet nearly as cheaply as 124s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionaryMike Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 52 minutes ago, MemphisMechanic said: The Bayou 135 is a bullet I like. I've always liked the way 135s shoot nearly as soft as 147s yet nearly as cheaply as 124s I used to load both the Bayou 135 and Acme 147 to about 1.13" prior to Beven's reaming on my Shadow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviSS Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 2 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said: How long was that? How long was that? How long was that? The Bayou 135 is a bullet I like. I've always liked the way 135s shoot nearly as soft as 147s yet nearly as cheaply as 124s 1.120 for me with Blue bullets. I couldn't remember off the top of my head at work earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou13 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 i've tried blue, sns, extreme they all work just need to plunk and spin..... id figure out which barrel is shorter load to that then see if it performs in other however the i had some issues with certain head stamps with the deeper seated pills 147 grooved i'm working on a 130 flat point load now. which i really like and are least expensive pill i've found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ontos Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 In my experiance, M&P's can tolerate a slightly longer OAL than CZ's. I'd load for the CZ and it should run the M&P. Personally, I like Bayou Bullets 147's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionaryMike Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, biglou13 said: i've tried blue, sns, extreme they all work just need to plunk and spin..... Which 130 is that? Oh, and @MemphisMechanic knows that he needs to plunk and spin and all that. He's just looking for some anecdotes, so he doesn't have to purchase and load up 10 different bullets. Edited March 4, 2017 by MissionaryMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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muncie21 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) I like either the Bayou or BBI 135 RN. IIRC, I load it to OAL of 1.14 or 1.13, 1.10 don't recall exactly. Edited March 5, 2017 by muncie21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted March 5, 2017 Author Share Posted March 5, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, biglou13 said: i've tried blue, sns, extreme they all work Yes. At different OALs due to various ogives. Quote id figure out which barrel is shorter load to that then see if it performs in other I have loaded approximately four different brands and weights for gun A at 1.150"+ and gun B needs them to be down around 1.090"-1.115" ... I'm well aware which weapon is my limitation. I'm hunting for the heavy round with the most friendly profile for short chambers in order to minimize the limitation. Quote however the i had some issues with certain head stamps with the deeper seated pills 147 grooved. You just talked yourself full circle, and we are now standing in the same place: "which heavier bullet will let me load longest in a short barrel, in order to minimize the issues that arise from seating a long 147 waaaay back into some brands of brass?" Edited March 5, 2017 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted March 5, 2017 Author Share Posted March 5, 2017 (edited) <post edited to delete confusion about BBI 135s - they DO need to be loaded short> Edited March 5, 2017 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncie21 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 2 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said: Interesting to hear you say that. I can't get a BBI 135 longer than 1.110" to run in an M&P, and even that was in the rifling by about .002" ... In a gun which is supposed to have a slightly longer chamber than your CZ. My mistake, I checked my notes, the 135RN is set for 1.10 and the 1.47FP is 1.070. I corrected my original post, so as not to throw others off track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpulled Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 I can load extreme 147 grain rn to 1.135 in my shadows with no issues. Neither one has been reamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
himurax13 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 I often find that FMJ and Plated rounds (like Extremes) can be loaded much longer than the powder coated and moly varieties, especially in CZ's and M&P's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted August 2, 2017 Author Share Posted August 2, 2017 (edited) An additional option for all of you: I've found that in general M&P barrels only allow you to load .005"-.010" longer than most CZs, and unlike a CZ, you can't ream one. They're hardened. In search of a bullet profile that was friendly for both my (reamed) Tanfoglio and a buddies M&P so that we could load batches of ammo together, I hit on the 125gr TC from Black Bullets International. I had to load the BBI 135gr RN at 1.090" to get it to chamber effortlessly in an M&P, yet their 125 is spinning freely here. I would imagine a CZ chamber will take these at least in the 1.120"-1.130" neighborhood, perhaps even longer. Edited August 2, 2017 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDee Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Eggleston 147s loaded to 1.16" work well in my CZ's (TS, SP01 & 75C). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken6PPC Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 (edited) I use Blue Bullets 147 grain, seated to 1.120" in my Shadow. Edited August 2, 2017 by Ken6PPC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 any round nose bullet. a true round nose. not rnfp. they have the most forgiving ogive of any bullet profile i've tried in a cz. from 115 to 147. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty79 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 On 3/3/2017 at 11:55 AM, MissionaryMike said: Acme 147 load considerably longer than BBI 147 I used to use. . Bayou 135 as well. This has been longest in my CZs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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