Ontos

No rail, no care.

As an RO who works some majors it’s always really cool to watch a REV GM work.

USPSA PCC GM Steel Challenge GM in PCCO, RFRO, RFPO Should punch my ticket for a couple more divisions this year. I’m 46.

“Heavy” and “light” are subjective and really have to do with what you’re used to. Mine is a hair over 4#. To me it feels a little heavy. Other people have shot it and think it’s really light.

As it turns out some Shadow 2 holsters work. My Hydra P is really tight and won’t lock but an el-cheapo Comp-Tac fits perfectly.

So what holsters are people running with these?

Shooting PCC I do this all the time. Never given it a second though.

This right here. But I also agree that it’s no legal.

I’m not saying that it’s a replacement for a handheld in terms of everyday flashlight needs, but if you need to have your gun out a WML is absolutely superior in every meaningful way over a handheld.

No... Because you don’t have to. With an 800-1k lumen WML you have more than enough spill to provide illumination for ID without muzzling the target.

Don’t know anything about the former, but I literally can’t say more positive things about the TACCOM 10/16. Shoots flat and accurate.

The last sentence is where it’s at. I’ve had SO’s tell me I was getting a PE because “Well, you were really supposed to do it like ______” Don’t care how you wanted me to do it... If you wanted everyone to do it like that you should have put it in the WSB. Not going to take a PE for it.

Am I wrong? I’ve seen far too many matches where rules have been made on the fly based on the whims of an SO. If it’s legal and not addressed in the WSB nobody should care about the SO’s opinion on the matter.

I don’t even see why people think this helps. You still have to rack the slide.

If it’s not expressed in the written stage brief and it’s safe to do so or not otherwise forbidden in the rulebook it’s legal. Otherwise people are just making up rules on the fly. I don’t really care if they think it’s “gamey”.

Lots of people carry guns with rails. Do you want to actually ID a threat? You should be running a WML which requires a rail. I won’t carry a gun without a rail.

Umm... They’re mass production, stock guns. They’re just nice mass produced stock guns. I don’t see how this is any different from 2011’s that are legal in IDPA.

I don’t think I’ve seen that... ever. Like not even have I heard about this happening.

wut

Unless you’re using concealed carry gear in USPSA already that ship has already sailed. If you’re running a competitive belt, holster and mag carrier in Production none of that will be legal in IDPA anyways. I’m a USPSA GM and IDPA MA (although I rarely shoot IDPA), so I just have two different sets of gear. Going back and forth with gear is pretty trivial compared to all the other differences between games.

I see where you’re coming from and IDPA has allowances for a “Specialty Division”, unfortunately holster position still has to comply with IDPA rules so it’s not really an IDPA match at that point. Whenever you’re dealing with a formal competition which has rules, semantics are important. Here are the concealment rules right from the rule book. There’s nothing about your magazine carrier being concealed during the actual COF so theoretically at the beep there wouldn’t be a problem with sweeping back a cover garment behind mag carriers other than the fact it takes more time than its worth. Your idea about using a towel or something that drops away would most likely run afoul of the fact it’s not a “garment”. In the same way I doubt it would fly if someone just stripped off their vest when the timer sounds. Why do you think this would be advantageous enough to game so hard? I mean, I’m all about finding the absolute edge of the rules, I just don’t see where there’s any benefit to be had.

Yeah, because The rules make the game. It’s like having a USPSA match where people are running 15 rounds in Production or comps in Carry Optics. I mean, that’s cool and everything but you’re now running an outlaw match so Classifiers and match performance shouldn’t carry over. I carry AIWB, too, but I can’t run that way in an IDPA match and expect it to count for score.

While I personally think it’s a silly rule, AIWB isn’t legal in IDPA. If you’re doing that, it’s not an IDPA match.

Interesting... where’s that information coming from?

Every one of them incorporate skill sets which prove to be important in some way during matches. That’s why your classification isn’t based upon one Classifier alone. All of them are relevant.