warpspeed Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Look at Appendix A2 item 3a. It appears that the issue has already been addressed. Well that settles that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 I will bet that SOMEDAY a man is going to enter a match as a lady because he identified as female that day. I'm sick of all of it personally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmj3 Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 If some male GM wants to undergo an operation (or three) to beat Graufels, sounds little bizarre to me, but, what the hell. You haven't been paying attention. No need to undergo any operations, just say you self-identify as a female and run against the women. I doubt we'll have this issue in the shooting sports, at least in my area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Stoeger Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Look at Appendix A2 item 3a. It appears that the issue has already been addressed. Yeah.. right now they do it by gov ID. Personally I would make it so only people born as women could sign up as females, but then again it only directly effects about 4 people in USPSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Look at Appendix A2 item 3a. It appears that the issue has already been addressed. Yeah.. right now they do it by gov ID. Personally I would make it so only people born as women could sign up as females, but then again it only directly effects about 4 people in USPSA. That's funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 If some male GM wants to undergo an operation (or three) to beat Graufels, sounds little bizarre to me, but, what the hell. How does changing categories help him beat EG? There's no handicapping system I'm not aware of is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Stoeger Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Look at Appendix A2 item 3a. It appears that the issue has already been addressed. Yeah.. right now they do it by gov ID. Personally I would make it so only people born as women could sign up as females, but then again it only directly effects about 4 people in USPSA. That's funny! It isn't a joke. They had this discussion in MMA fighting awhile back when a dude that transitioned to a woman (but retained the male bone structure) pounded the snot out of actual women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanniek71 Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Look at Appendix A2 item 3a. It appears that the issue has already been addressed. Yeah.. right now they do it by gov ID.Personally I would make it so only people born as women could sign up as females, but then again it only directly effects about 4 people in USPSA. That's funny! It isn't a joke. They had this discussion in MMA fighting awhile back when a dude that transitioned to a woman (but retained the male bone structure) pounded the snot out of actual women. Kinda, some women actually have destroyed that dude/woman now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifeislarge Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Would I have to shave my legs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestock Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 No one cares!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtturn Posted May 7, 2016 Author Share Posted May 7, 2016 Not cool. Please delete that. Sent from my MotoG3 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djedi Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 They want everything gender neutral so why not delete the lady category all together? Women shoot just as well as men so strap on your pee shooter and duke it out like lady men. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Look at Appendix A2 item 3a. It appears that the issue has already been addressed. Well that settles that. I don't know that it settles anything. I have never had a government issued ID that had a gender on it. All of mine mention sex, which is not the same thing as gender at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech32 Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 After the deal with Bruce Jenner, the dude that got silver in the 1976 decathlon has to be pissed right now...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziebart Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 I just looked at my ID, and it doesn't say anything about gender on it either. Looks like unless it does, nobody should be claiming "lady". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtturn Posted May 7, 2016 Author Share Posted May 7, 2016 Look at Appendix A2 item 3a. It appears that the issue has already been addressed. Well that settles that. I don't know that it settles anything. I have never had a government issued ID that had a gender on it. All of mine mention sex, which is not the same thing as gender at all. This ambiguity is what I'm talking about. The leadership needs to be forward thinking on this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES13Raven Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 We've already got unisex port-a-potties, what more do we need? That never mattered to anyone because there's supposed to be only one person in there at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 They should adapt to this gender crisis by eliminating it. If you need to have divisions or separate awards make them sex based not gender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrydoc Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 After the deal with Bruce Jenner, the dude that got silver in the 1976 decathlon has to be pissed right now...... why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TediousAndIneffectualMcGee Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Why are men upset about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Look at Appendix A2 item 3a. It appears that the issue has already been addressed. Well that settles that. I don't know that it settles anything. I have never had a government issued ID that had a gender on it. All of mine mention sex, which is not the same thing as gender at all. Actually, it does settle it. What does your gov Id say ? M or F ? When some government decides to put a 3rd designation and a USPSA/IPSC shooter chooses that 3rd designation, I guess its an issue. Until then ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGMorden Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 They should adapt to this gender crisis by eliminating it. If you need to have divisions or separate awards make them sex based not gender. Exactly. The whole thing about this issue is that proponents of this idea state that gender is a "social" construct. Sex on the other hand is biologically based (ie, it's hard to get around hard science when it comes to mating compatibility). As such it's easiest if we don't even get into the gender argument and just say that the awards are based on sex and not gender. End of story. Next thing ya know we'll be arguing with the "you're only as old as you feel" crowd. I've got arthritis already in my 30's - can I identify and compete as a Super Senior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Look at Appendix A2 item 3a. It appears that the issue has already been addressed. Well that settles that. I don't know that it settles anything. I have never had a government issued ID that had a gender on it. All of mine mention sex, which is not the same thing as gender at all. Really? English is my second language, but Merriam Webster for one suggests they're synonyms of each other, i.e. roughly equivalent...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Being a synonym does not make two things the same. They are very different one is physical and one is cultural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWSixgunner Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) Whatever it says on your state-issued ID. In that context, sex & gender are one in the same. Edited May 8, 2016 by FWSixgunner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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