twodownzero

I was confused about what "suitable for all day carry" means now in light of all the other restrictions. I remember decades ago when they wouldn't even allow an Uncle Mike's Kydex because it was too far from the belt. If a normal kydex holster is allowed, I'm in.

I just spend a half hour re-reading some IDPA rules and I still don't know what the present holster rule is. I gave up USPSA but I could be persuaded to pull the holster off of the IDPA-banned belt if it means I can shoot IDPA/ESP with it.

I'd buy one tomorrow.

Yep, trap, cowboy, and precision rifle.

I did burn out after 18 years, and ~14-15 years as a member, and I did quit. The hardest part was giving up my RO certification. Maybe someday I'll be back; I still love the idea. But I have no more motivation to shoot USPSA, for a number of reasons.

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If the divorce isn't finalized, she isn't your "ex" wife.

Everything that isn't a rifle or minor high cap optics is already dead.

Yes, allowing rifles at pistol matches played a big part in that as well, although I don't think stage design caters to them, in fact, I think it screws them over much of the time. The dots outside of open and creating an open division with minor power factor only was basically the demise of USPSA. At this point there is no reason for Open, Limited, L10, or Production to exist. There's CO, LO, and a few people with rifles.

I called out my local club and they didn't care, so I quit and haven't come back after 18 years shooting USPSA and 14+ years a USPSA member. If you want to have 20 round stand and shoots with no power factor, great, but that's not why I enjoyed playing this game. They claimed the stage came from the nationals btw. Which, if true, reinforces my point. They stopped caring about the low cap divisions when carry optics took off. Allowing dots outside of open ruined the sport and there's no putting the horse back into the barn.

Trigger pull weight is not a substitute for safe gun handling, but a 1 pound trigger might not even require anything we'd regard as "handling."

I would generally agree that pull weight is not a safe substitute for gun handling skills, but a pull weight that is so significantly below the weight of the gun that it'd be virtually inevitable that it'd discharge if dropped is not safe. I hope you never have an ND of some kind, but I can virtually guarantee that if you do, you will have a very hard time finding any expert witness who will testify that a firearm with a 1 pound trigger is safe. It isn't and that is ridiculous. I actually clicked on this thread because I thought it was a joke, but apparently it's not. I have nothing against light triggers, but 1 pound is dangerous, period.

This thread makes me think USPSA should have a minimum trigger weight. I can't believe people would take this kind of risk for whatever minor performance improvement they think they're going to get from that.

Production is like that now. Production was not like that before some very recently rule changes. There was a time when putting grip tape in the wrong spot would get you a bump to Open. Production was not meant to be a beginner's division, but for a good long time it was one where you could win the nationals with a stock gun + sights and trigger.

The original post and the sentiment of this thread is why I let my USPSA membership lapse after 15 years a member and nearly 20 years shooting matches. The push to high cap divisions and away from power as a principle of marksmanship was a huge mistake. In the process, they destroyed the Production division, which was supposed to be a way for a new shooter to be able to have a competitive division to shoot in with a stock gun. I sincerely hope we find a way to put the horse back in the barn. I miss USPSA. But I will not participate if the only way (to have anyone to shoot against) is to shoot a gun with a capacity of 20 or more.

It doesn't. If you have a gun in your hand on that range during the day of the match outside of the safe area, you are going to be DQed. There are no special dividing lines between the other bays and the match bays. If an RO sees you handling a gun on the grounds outside of the limited exceptions, your match is over.

Unless the rules have changed, handling your firearm anywhere outside of a safe area is asking to be DQed, regardless of whether the match has begun or how far away the bays are where the match has been held. These games have had a cold range rule for decades with gun handling authorized only 1) in safe areas or 2) under the direction of an RO. It isn't that complicated.

What's it cost? Unfortunately with all the new rules regarding shipping guns through private carriers, it may be easier to drive it there these days.

No, that would just kill Production, Revolver, and Single Stack the rest of the way. Which is the entire reason why the recent rule changes should never have been allowed. Reloading and power are no longer useful practical shooting skills. We're all just gamers now.

If all iron sight guns and the 1911 are now "vinyl records," that's news to me. But if so, good riddance.

What do you want me to say, that I don't agree? I've been to matches since the rule changes, and the trajectory is not good. Nor is it enjoyable to be the only low cap shooter on a squad. If you want the game to be all dots, then so be it. Make fun of me if you want, I'm not playing. USPSA has always had a reputation of high barriers to entry, that you needed a "race gun" to compete. Production and SS were once the antidotes to that. Now they're a distant also-ran.

I shot (and staffed) many USPSA matches over the last 15 years. Given what is going on in the sport with the rules changes, I have no immediate plans to return to the sport unless the arms race stops and there are some other changes that Brian doesn't want us talking about on the board. I never had a whole lot of interest in shooting the high cap divisions and I still don't. I thought there was room for me in USPSA, and there was, for a long time. Carry Optics and PCC have changed that. Nobody cares about us anymore. I shot my first USPSA match in 2004. I shot Single Stack when it was a provisional division in 2005.

Sad, but true.

That has to be the most ridiculous crap I've ever heard. Are there more "luddites" or winners at matches?

That is what Open is.