zzw26n Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Are you allowed to pull the hammer back, while holstered, when given the load and make ready command? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 What good would that do? Your gun is supposed to be unloaded in your holster from the end of your last stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtx- Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I have seen this done in the past, possibly to make it easier to rack the slide when a magazine is inserted. not sure if it is ok or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FULLMETAL Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I'm not sure may depend on your club. I know that after the stage and the command hammer down they require us to keep it down till next go around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzw26n Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 I have seen this done in the past, possibly to make it easier to rack the slide when a magazine is inserted. not sure if it is ok or not This is exactly why I asked, it's easy to rack the slide once the mag is inserted. It's easier to pull the hammer back when holstered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) I have seen this done in the past, possibly to make it easier to rack the slide when a magazine is inserted. not sure if it is ok or not This is exactly why I asked, it's easy to rack the slide once the mag is inserted. It's easier to pull the hammer back when holstered. Or use two hands after you take it of the holster? I believe this was brought up just the other day in regards to whether it would be a DQ or not, because for just a split second you have a cocked, unsafetied gun in the holster, which I do believe is a DQ. I generally draw once half speed, then cock it and apply safety, full speed draw and pull the trigger, then cock it and charge the gun. I will try to find the other thread. ::ETA:: I found the thread, search "make ready" to find it. The consensus is that because the gun is empty, and you are under the supervision of the RO then it is good to go. But, I still think it is probably easier to cock the gun with your weak hand while you hold it in your strong hand, IMHO. Edited May 27, 2015 by Gooldylocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltdmstr Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I generally draw once half speed, then cock it and apply safety, full speed draw and pull the trigger, then cock it and charge the gun. I think this is SOP for most folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technetium-99m Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Not loaded so no harm no foul. Unless the rulebook mentions it somewhere else I believe it's only a DQ able offense to holster a loaded single action firearm without the safety applied. The book defines a loaded firearm, a gun void of any ammo isn't loaded. Not sure it's the best practice, but unless someone comes up with another rule that's my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I take the gun out of the holster, and cock the hammer ... Then I load the mag and rack ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Not loaded so no harm no foul. Unless the rulebook mentions it somewhere else I believe it's only a DQ able offense to holster a loaded single action firearm without the safety applied. The book defines a loaded firearm, a gun void of any ammo isn't loaded. Not sure it's the best practice, but unless someone comes up with another rule that's my interpretation. A loaded firearm is also with a magazine inserted with live or dummy rounds or any live or dummy round in the chamber.There is a lengthy discussion on this as shown above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racnsoonr Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I'd see it as no dq if under the make ready command unless you place it back in the holster loaded and cocked without a safety on. To me, if you cant rack the slide, why shoot that gun.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzw26n Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 I take the gun out of the holster, and cock the hammer ... Then I load the mag and rack ... Limited is new to me, shot one Match so far and above is how I 'load and make ready'. But, at practice last night I found it very convient to cock the hammer prior to taking the gun out of the holster. I also find it allot easier to rack the slide if the hammer is cocked on a 2011 pistol. Last night no one knew if it was illegal or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racnsoonr Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 All RO's may not see it the same and I wouldn't create a possible bad habit and potentially cause a dq or argument for it by the occassional nazi ro...just my .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aric Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Unsafe gun handling? Single action cocked and holstered without the safety on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete627 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Sounds like you "might" be running a much heavier main (hammer) spring than necessary (factory is often 23lbs ... where a 19, 17 or even a 15 gets the job done ... and greatly affects the effort to rack the slide ... and will even lighten your trigger pull a bit). Just a thought ... as you didn't elaborate on your configuration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 don't take this the wrong way but if you're shooting in a major PF division and are looking for ways to make it easier to rack the slide on an empty chamber, what kind of grip do you have? I might suggest investing some time in grip strength training ... I've watched guys like Mike Seeklander rack the slide on their Limited STI with 2 fingers from underneath the gun .... as mentioned, a lighter main spring might be in order as well ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueknight749 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 My Sig X5 is an SAO but the thumb safety will engage with a cocked hammer or without. No worries on my end. The only downside is that I have a heavy slide...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loudgp Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 2011's tend to be easier to rack ... But I'm curious if it's a dq Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcobean Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I don't understand this whole conversation. It's not a DQ to have the hammer back in the holster with the safety on or off, as long as the gun is unloaded: 10.5.11 specifically says "Holstering a *LOADED* handgun, in any of the following conditions: --------10.5.11.1: A single action self-loading pistol with the safety not applied All these conditions apply the entire time the handgun is in the holster. See 8.1.2.4 8.1.2.4 "This safety must be on while the firearm is LOADED in the holster or LOADED inany other location stated in the WSB in order to be in compliance with 10.5.11" So I see nothing here saying a cocked hammer on an unloaded gun is an issue. That said, it still seems like a bad habit to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewHewes81 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I would take it out of the holster then cock hammer. No doubt it would stir up debate with a R.O. nazi eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I would take it out of the holster then cock hammer. No doubt it would stir up debate with a R.O. nazi eventually. RO NAZI? Do you want strict rule enforcement when several people are running around with loaded guns, or do you prefer RO's that let stuff slide?As is said its fine to do it. If an RO SEES ANYTHING that looks odd I would never fault him for questioning it. And yes, I'm quite the rules guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankdiesel Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Why not cock the hammer as soon as you draw to make ready? That's what I do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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