zhunter Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) Shoot offs are very televisable Edited July 28, 2015 by zhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Can a moderator please kick me off this thread. It's so scattered it reads like a DSM Manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 In re-reading Phil's comments again: ....n." I have indeed talked with a number of representatives of these companies, and there are concerns that Production has become a division that cannot remain realistically competitive without a heavier pistol... Ha...ha..LOL... Then it seems to me then the simple solution would have been to set a new, lower, weight limit rule for production division. Or to tell the manufacturers to stop building shitty, less accurate, plastic guns...ya, know, to innovate... to make themselves more competitive. On a slightly different note...I remember a time when IDPA felt the need to split the one and only revolver into two revolver divisions. You had your moonclip fed 625 division, and then your speedloader fed 686 division. They also required the barrels to be just 4 inches long. That was in 2005, IIRC. Then probably within the past year or two they had to drop the power factor floor for speedloader .38 Special division...because they lost that inch off that barrel. The path of unintended consequences... LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Shoot offs are very televisable Speaking of golf... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Here's a thought If Smith & Wesson made a more accurate M&P I wouldn't have sold mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimo-Hombre Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 How many guys are gonna get banned from this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngeyes Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 How many guys are gonna get banned from this thread? 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson2011 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Well this thread got real quiet. Can we get back to the point of it. couple questions 1) Does anyone have any information on when HQ might get around to posting the division rules? 2) how many people are gonna show up at their local monthly and shoot whatever they have with a dot on the top and not worry about the weight? 3) Do you think if enough people complain the next president will consider axing the proposed, but not confirmed, weight limit? Youngeyes please don't ban me. Edited July 30, 2015 by clawson2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I'd contacted one of the BOD members who had hoped that it would come out on Tuesday. I'm not sure what the holdup is, the rules are essentially the same as PD but with the scope and a weight limit, I am not sure why this is taking so long, as I assume that they must have had he rules in front of them when they voted on 18th July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishsticks Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Appears rules are out. http://uspsa.org/document_library/2015/APPENDIX-Carry%20Optics%20Provisional%20Division.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Cool, almost ready to rock and roll. Just waiting on EZWS, I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Reading on my phone to please help, I don't see where it says you can use a dovetail mount. Legal are not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 The slide may be milled for installing the optic which must be installed between the ejection port and the end of the slide. Max weight 35 Oz for all approved guns (no +2oz or equivalent). No box test. Only 500 guns need to be produced to submit the gun to DNROI for approval versus the 2,000 required by Production. All other rules appear to follow Production division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Reading on my phone to please help, I don't see where it says you can use a dovetail mount. Legal are not? Came here to post this. It says optic must be mounted directly to slide. Although that can't really be what they meant since all factory optics ready guns use adapter plates between the optic and the slide. Was hoping they'd make it 15 round limit, obviously not surprised it's 10, I'd just rather have 15 personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Reading on my phone to please help, I don't see where it says you can use a dovetail mount. Legal are not? Just says the optic needs to be attached to the slide between the ejection port and the end of the slide. Doesn't say how to do it but milling is allowed. I can't see how a dovetail mount wouldn't be legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkreutz Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Reading on my phone to please help, I don't see where it says you can use a dovetail mount. Legal are not? It appears so, one place says that milling the slide is permitted for mounting the optic and another place says "must be attached directly to slide between rear of slide and ejection port." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Semi-Autos only?!? Why exclude revolvers? You can shoot revolvers in Production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) It says it must be attached directly to the slide, elsewhere it says that milling for the purposes of adding the scope is ok. I'm not sure if that wording is to prevent people from frame mounting or if it's done to prevent the use of a dovetail mount. Which would be weird. Hopefully someone will clarify that. I must learn to type faster. Edited July 30, 2015 by BritinUSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRush Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Reading on my phone to please help, I don't see where it says you can use a dovetail mount. Legal are not?Just says the optic needs to be attached to the slide between the ejection port and the end of the slide. Doesn't say how to do it but milling is allowed. I can't see how a dovetail mount wouldn't be legal. I think the "directly to slide" bit is ambiguous wording (in terms of adapters, dovetail mounts, etc), but this organization doesn't worry as much about what the rules say as the "intent". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I think it should read as 'mounted on slide'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atbarr Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I normally shoot Production with a G21 or G41. If I mill the slide to accept a Red Dot, can I, in the future remove the Red Dot if I want to shoot Production in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I would say no, as you've made an external modification to the slide that has lightened it, that is not cosmetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmca Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I normally shoot Production with a G21 or G41. If I mill the slide to accept a Red Dot, can I, in the future remove the Red Dot if I want to shoot Production in the future? I wouldn't do that. It's a provisional division...might go away. Then, you've got a milled slide that isn't Production Division legal. Why not just get a dovetail adapter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I think that is why dovetails were encouraged in some of the early messaging, to ensure you don't make a change on your Production gun that can't be undone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Semi-Autos only?!? Why exclude revolvers? You can shoot revolvers in Production. Revolvers don't have slides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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