AWLAZS Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 HS-6 is not being discontinued. Dave Campbell Customer Service Hodgdon Powder Company Hodgdon Smokeless Powders Pyrodex and Triple 7 Muzzleloading Powders IMR and Winchester Smokeless Propellants I guess the shop owner was wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 I just got that same exact response from Dave Campbell. I also queried the HS-7 rumour but have not gotten a reply on that yet. Regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
open17 Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 I just got that same exact response from Dave Campbell.I also queried the HS-7 rumour but have not gotten a reply on that yet. Regards, Just talked to Chris at Hodgdon HS-6---no plans to discontinue. HS-7 ---discontinued about a year ago. Still some out there, but when it's gone it's gone. Hodgdon is now carrying VihtaVouri powders. They will be available through regular Hodgdon distribution channels. N310, N320, N340, N350, 3N37, 3N38, N105 were all mentioned. I mentioned that a shipload of SP-2 would probably be a saleable item, and Chris actually sounded interested. Have to wait and see on that one. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 The HS-7 news is news to my ears, but I don't see it as a big loss. The HS-6 rumor just didn't make sense considering how it flies off gunshop shelves ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 A little more data...... ALL loads loaded to 1.195", Zero 115 JHP, Federal Small Pistol primer, Winchester cases. Temp was low 50's. 15 feet from the chrono, bright sunny day. 8.1 Longshot, average velocity 1530, ES a little loose at 66 but plenty of room on the power factor since they are making 176. Good predictable vertical dot track. Primers show round edges with very little flattening and NO flow. Noise is a little extreme, but the powder is cheap, reliable and on the shelf everywhere around here. Longshot will go to about 181 for me with the same components, then it starts coming back down in power factor and going WAY up in ES. It still doesn't show much pressure but it is obvious that it will not go any further. N105, I think I found my steel load with 8.8 grains. Works out to be 150 PF, shoots great and is super soft. I worked it out all the way to a full case at 9.8 grains, average velocity was 1390 for 160 PF. There isn't a workable way to get any more in the case and still load progressively, too bad too because the dot track was really straight, very little dot rise, and softer shooting than anything else I have tried so far. 3n-37, 8.8 grains is 170 PF, extremely hot gun after just a few rounds but it feels good and shoots fantastic. 9.0 grains is 177 PF, a little brisk in recoil but feels good and shoots great. Silhouette, my favorite so far, too bad I can't buy it locally. 8.8 makes 171.3 power factor, is really soft, a little less dot rise than Longshot, and the ES is fantastic at just 16 fps over 10 rounds. I am going to have to order a big can of it, it really is the best I have found so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 HSMITH, Are those 115 grain loads? im testing vv n350 right now...7.0 grains with a 124 at 1.150 was WAY major.. 6.8 grains makes 170 pf in my gun...5.1 inch trubor 9x19. Im using Win pistol primers now....as i cannot get my beloved federals. Harmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Harmon, yes they are 115 Zero JHP. So far it is the only bullet I have worked with. I have two more powders to work up with them and then I move on to the 124/125's. I probably won't spend the time with the 124/125's that I did with the 115's, I put well over a thousand 115's over the chrono and into groups and frankly it was a lot like work.... Mine is a 5.4" KKM with a Bedell TI comp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 3n38, 8.8 grains 1.165 oal Precision delta FMJ and a winchester small pistol primer this is a compressed load and slightly deforms the bullets nose but it shoots super soft and lots cleaner than HS6 average velocity is 1370 fps from my 5 inch gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azone41 Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 With 125 jhp zeros and 3n38 I need 9.5 grains @1.165 to get 1375 - 1390. I have a shorty with two ports in the slide. Peforms great but no better then n350 and you use less ( 8.5grains). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogiebb Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 9mm load data millenium custom open 9mm...schuemann classic barrel 124 jhp Montana Gold 8.0 gr hs-6 1.165 oal wsr primers mixed brass 165 PF same set up just changed to 8.2 gr 172 PF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syme71 Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 (edited) Tried out some loads on my new JL Hardy 4.5" Trubor MG 124 JHP, WSR, 1.155 OAL, Federal Brass HS-6 7.8 gr = 161 PF 8.1 gr = 169 PF 8.3 gr = 171 PF True Blue 7.5 gr = 157 PF 3N38 8.5 gr = 169 PF 8.7 gr = 164 PF 9.0 gr = 167 PF HS-6 is real dirty and harsher than 3N38. 3N38 was real nice. Very "dull" feel in the hand, less snappier than HS-6. Edited November 4, 2007 by syme71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syme71 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Additional Loads....(same gun/bullet/primer/OAL specs as previous post) 3N38 9.1 gr =170 PF Longshot 7.3 gr = 166 PF True Blue 8.0 gr = 166 PF (2nd Best Load - soft recoil, good dot movement) VVN350 7.6 gr = 168 PF (Best Load for my gun - soft, dull recoil. very consistent dot movement.) 7625 7.2 gr = 171 PF (3rd Best Load - snappy and feels like 150 PF, erratic dot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Off topic a bit, but I see you have experience with STI 9mm's. I'm thinking of buying an STI 9mm very soon, and have some questions, as a newbie: 1. If I buy either the GrandMaster or the Trubore, who should I send it to for customization ( (better trigger & accuracy)? Or are they okay as comes from factory? 2. What are advantages/disadvantages of the GrandMaster vs the Trubore? 3. Are you happy with the STI 9mm? Thanks for the help. Jack First,any information that I am about to disclose works in my gun and I am not responsible for the use of this info by anyone.My gun is a 9mm Major STI shorty with a 4.5 inch barrel with a 3 port comp and 2 bleeder holes in the top of the barrel. It was built by Benny Hill. The load that I have finally settled on that chrono's 1493avg. is with a 115gr. Star FMJ loaded in once fired FC cases using Federal Small Rifle Primers and 8.35grs of VV 3N37. The OAL is 1.155. I have not seen any signs of excessive pressure and in my gun it shoots very flat and is extremely accurate! This load is also used in my friends STI Competitor with a STI 9mm Trubor S-2 comp and is a couple of feet slower but performs just as well. I am using a 10lbs ISMI recoil spring in my gun and may try going to an 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt2ace Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Just finished setting up a 9mm major load for my G24 (converted from 40 to 9mm) with a stormlake 4-port barrel. 6.4gr Power Pistol MGD 147gr-CMJ WSPM 1.153 OAL Pf = 170 (avg of 3 strings of 5 rounds each) SD 15-18, ES 30-40 Going to 6.6gr gave a 175PF with similar SD and ES I have used PP for 40 open for a number of years. I found it to be a very clean powder though a bit noisy. Just ask anyone who has RO'd me shooting a G22 with a 5-port hybrid barrel (some called it painful, but I never noticed ). The 9mm load felt nice a soft with the (Jpoint on slide) dot tracking up/down very consistently. OAL is definitely a lot shorter than used for 1911 style guns due to feeding issues with Glock mags. The MGD bullets have a nice round nose on them which makes them feed very nice through the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdrissel Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Anyone shooting 147gr? VV published data: 4" test barrel 147gr HP/XTP with 6.3 gr of 3n38 @ 1171 fps 147gr HP/XTP with 6.9 gr of 3n38 @ 1207 fps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 i tried the VV load with 147 and 3n38...sadly it wasnt major in my gun Harmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Finally had a chance to chrono. About 50 degrees Schuemann 5.5" no barrel holes, tightish chamber, with long throat 7.5 gr. Longshot 121 gr Montana Gold CCI small rifle primer mix brass 1.188" OAL avg. 1399 fps, for 169 pf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 I know 4756 is bulky and not a suitable choice for 9 major, but I had to try it also. All loads with MG 124 JHPs, WSR primers,once-fired mixed brass (WIN, FED, R-P, Speer), OAL 1.175". Out of SV IMM Open 4.5" AET barrel 5-port comp w/2 holes on top. Shot these @ 55 degrees F. 4756 7.0gr HI 1221.5 fps LO 1171.7 fps SD 17.5 ES 49.9 AVG 1198.3 fps PF 148.6 4756 7.2gr HI 1270.2 fps LO 1188.8 fps SD 26.7 ES 81.4 AVG 1224.8 fps PF 151.8 4756 7.4gr HI 1276.0 fps LO 1156.2 fps SD 39.4 ES 119.9 AVG 1240.1 fps PF 153.8 4756 7.6gr HI 1287.3 fps LO 1258.6 fps SD 10.4 ES 28.7 AVG 1271.1 fps PF 157.6 4756 7.8gr HI 1305.2 fps LO 1257.8 fps SD 20.1 ES 47.3 AVG 1282.8 fps PF 159.1 4756 8.0gr HI 1331.1 fps LO 1291.7 fps SD 21.9 ES 39.4 AVG 1312.9 fps PF 162.8 Can make major if it's IPSC 160 PF, but would be a pain in the a.. to load as I had to go really slow to not dump any powder from station to station. I think that's why I was getting high ES in the 7.x loads I did. Had to really slow down during reloading once you get to 7.8+ range. And the last 2 loads (7.8 and 8.0) were compressed to say the least, the OAL was 1.180" on those. That's as far as the bullet would go with that much powder in the case. But all of the primers still looked rounder, no flattening. I think I will use 4756 for steel loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austex Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Hi, I'm fairly new to reloading and brand new to major 9. I just got a new STI Trubor in 9x19. This is my first batch of handloads for the gun. Ramshot Silhouette, 124 gr Montana Gold JHP, Winchester White Box once fired brass, CCI Small Rifle primers 1.130 OAL, 70 degrees. Chg avg hi lo SD ES AvgPF HiPF LoPF 6.6 1243 1256 1229 11 27 154 156 152 6.8 1282 1297 1265 12 32 159 161 157 7.0 1299 1308 1278 9 30 161 162 158 7.2 1318 1328 1295 11 33 163 165 161 7.4 1354 1369 1338 13 31 168 170 166 7.6 1380 1399 1364 11 35 171 173 169 7.8 1400 1412 1387 8 25 174 175 172 The picture shows the fired brass, with each row corresponding to a particular powder charge (6.6 gr at the hinge, progressing up to 7.8 gr in the row next to the unfired rounds) Even the starting charge shows flattened primers and primer flow. Should I be concerned with any of these loads? If so, what should I do next? Try loading longer OAL? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Even the starting charge shows flattened primers and primerflow. Should I be concerned with any of these loads? If so, what should I do next? Try loading longer OAL? At the least, you need an extended firing pin... that primer shear is going to cause failures to fire, eventually, when the metal sheared off in the FP tunnel clogs it up sufficiently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Try loading longer OAL? With the MG 124 jhp, you should be able to go to at least 1.165 without issue. I'd try another batch at 1.165 to 1.17. I don't think it'll make your pressure issue go away but it will certainly help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austex Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 New data for HS-6 and WSF: Montana Gold 124 gr JHP, Winchester White Box once fired brass, CCI small rifle primer, 1.150 OAL, fired in stock STI Trubor with 5.5” barrel and T1 comp; 65 degree temperature powder.......avg.....hi......lo....SD.ES.avPF.hiPF.loPF HS-6 @ 7.6 1313 1326 1302 07 24 163 164 161 HS-6 @ 7.8 1337 1369 1308 15 61 166 170 162 HS-6 @ 8.0 1359 1388 1328 19 60 169 172 165 HS-6 @ 8.2 1389 1400 1372 10 28 172 174 170 HS-6 @ 8.4 1416 1429 1396 11 33 176 177 173 WSF @ 6.0 1221 1241 1200 14 41 151 154 149 WSF @ 6.2 1245 1272 1214 19 58 154 158 151 WSF @ 6.4 1241 1266 1205 21 61 154 157 149 WSF @ 6.6 1270 1282 1250 11 32 158 159 155 WSF @ 6.8 1313 1326 1285 12 41 163 164 159 Will post WSF 7.0 to 7.6 data when available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 (edited) I tried WSF in SV IMM Open pistol, 5-port comp with 2 poppel holes. All loads using MG 121 IFPs, 1.175~1.180" OAL, Speer once-fired brass and Fed small pistol primers. I used my Silhoutte match load to make sure chrono was working OK, 124 MG JHPs, OAL, brass, and primers the same as WSF load. Silhoutte 7.8gr HI 1388.4 fps LO 1361.7 fps SD 11.1 ES 26.7 AVG 1369.6 fps PF 169.8 WSF 6.8gr HI 1351.3 fps LO 1300.0 fps SD 16.1 ES 51.3 AVG 1322.7 fps PF 160.0 WSF 7.1gr HI 1375.5 fps LO 1331.3 fps SD 12.6 ES 44.2 AVG 1358.5 fps PF 164.4 WSF 7.3gr HI 1404.1 fps LO 1357.0 fps SD 16.8 ES 47.1 AVG 1380.3 fps PF 167.0 I am going to bump it to 7.4~7.5 range and try to get to 170PF for a little bit more cushion for matches with chrono. I weighed the MG 121 IFPs and they actually come in around 121.6~121.7. Primers look good and no unburned powder like Silhoutte. It still get c-more lense dirty about as much as Silhoutte does however. Added 7.5gr. load data. WSF 7.5gr HI 1413.2 fps LO 1370.7 fps SD 13.1 ES 42.5 AVG 1388.1 fps PF 168.7 Edited May 10, 2008 by HoMiE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austex Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 True Blue and more Silhouette data Montana Gold 124 gr JHP, Winchester White Box once fired brass, CCI small rifle primer, 1.150 OAL, fired in stock STI Trubor with 5.5” barrel and T1 comp; 85 degree temperature powder.....avg.....hi......lo....SD.ES.avPF.hiPF.loPF TrBl @ 7.2 1294 1304 1284 07 20 160 162 159 TrBl @ 7.4 1321 1334 1308 10 26 164 165 162 TrBl @ 7.6 1350 1370 1329 12 41 167 170 165 TrBl @ 7.8 1382 1391 1373 06 18 171 172 170 TrBl @ 8.0 1413 1432 1395 14 37 175 178 173 Silh @ 7.6 1331 1350 1321 09 29 165 167 164 Silh @ 7.8 1363 1386 1356 09 30 169 172 168 The True Blue is a bit denser than the Silhouette at the same charge, and a bit faster, too. Both powders are dense enough to be good for fast progressive loading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Anyone ever try AA #7? Can you not get enough in the case, is that why I don't see any load data listed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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