BamBam Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Things get a little dicey when we are talking about both 115 grain and 124 grain loads in the Major 9. Big bad mistake if you mix the two up. For 115 specific loads, I can't see how you would EVER make major with N350 or 3N38. Probably ought to start a different post to collect Major-9 115 grain data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 i was planning on using 124/125 grian bullets. to me a powder that makes major with 115s is good because it allows versatility in your loading. since HS7 is dirty and discontinued, i dont think ill look any further into it. looks like all that money im saving on brass with this major 9 needs to be spent buying VV powders in amounts to last 3-4 months and even then develope a back up load(probably HS6 or PowerPistol...Both cheap and easy to get) these reports of VV 3N37 burning barrels out fast is that because folks did a hundred bill drills an hour for two hours every practice session? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 3n37 burns - period. Bullets, barrels, brass, you name it. Squeaky clean ejected cases and slide that's too hot to touch. Not saying you can't use it but be aware. In the guns I've tried, HS6 is the powder that actually shoots flatter AND softer when going from 125s to 115s and upping the charge [about] half a grain. Most powders will kick noticeably harder when switching to the lighter bullet. This is with 5" or 5.5" barrels with 2 or 3 TJ ports. A different gun might get a different result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 I disagree that HS6 and HS7 are dirty powders. IME, they both burn clean and leave no residue whatsoever (I actually use WW540 instead of HS6, but experimented with HS7 before settling on 540/HS6 for major 9 with 124's). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 I used 540 for a while w/ 130s and 135s in 9x21 out of a P-9 style gun. It wasn't too bad, dirt wise. 3N37 ended up being more effective in my gun, though (and cleaner), and didn't exhibit the flamethrower properties that folks seem to get out of it long loaded in 1911 style guns.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 I had noticed HS6 and HS7 seem to respond well to being compressed loads and burn clean that way. But then, I never used them in anything but full case loads so that's an interesting point about they way they perform with space in the case. -- Regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 I used to use 540 in super loads. I am interested to try it in the 9 loads now that everyone says that hs6 is 540 I guess I need to pick up a pound of that also. Right now in the process I am using wc818 to make major with 115's. I have room to spare at about 10grs. But it is a violent shooting load so want to play. I have longshot, 7625, true blue to mess with this week to see what I can get. I will post updates. I have off tuesday so will be experimenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 In 9x21, I have found I always go back to HS6, I have experimented with lots of different powders, in the beginning I always used 540. HS6 is a little dirty, but when it comes down to working or not; I guess I'll put up with the dirt. I could not get an accurate load with HS7 with either 124's or 115's. I found it much dirtier than HS6. I thought I read somewhere that one of the Hodgdon powders; is it Longshot- that is the same as the old Winchester Action Pistol? Is there any truth in this? I had tried Action Pistol, and I really liked it. I also thought someone had said it was similar to 3N37? Up North, in my area at least we don't have the variety and selection of powders, but most times HS6 is easy to get, so at least for now I'll continue to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoNsTeR Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Silhouette = WAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Longshot from Hodgegon does work btw. Another Q? We used to use AA No. 5 What happened to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 bob, where did you get that WC818 powder? are you using it because its CHEAP? is it dirty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Yes its cheap but takes a lot, and you can stuff a lot into the case. I think you can get about 12gr and still seat the bullet. A little over 10 goes major. I am paying $10 per pound which is why I started using it. But its dirty. Actually very dirty, every 500 rounds the gun has to be cleaned to keep it running well. Thats another reason for looking at different powders. Plus not sure if I can get it anymore and I am almost out. I am down to less than 2lbs left. I got the powder from a reloading store up in PA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 (edited) I just got back from the range and tried these loads. 9mm Bedell Shorty 4.5" AET barrel. 50 deg. F at 800 ft. elevation. All are Win cases with WSR primers, a 125gr. JHP zero @ 1.16 OAL 8.0 3N37 avg. 1381 ES - 34 PF - 171.2 6.4 7625 avg. 1291 ES - 33 PF - 160 6.6 7625 avg. 1321 ES - 34 PF - 163.8 6.8 7625 avg. 1339 ES - 37 PF - 166 The 6.8 gr. load was getting really full, to the point that I don't want to load it because it would start to spill. I didn't have any problem with flat primers, but I won't be loading this powder just because it's too bulky. Seemed to shoot fine, but I didn't load enough to really play with it and compare to my standard 3N37 load. Something I did notice was that the 7625 was more accurate. At least from what I could accomplish today, which wasn't much. Edited November 2, 2005 by hksniperman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.40AET Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 I've decided on one powder (at least for now). I did a side by side blind test of 3N37, HS-7, and HS-6. All loaded with 115g bullets to about 168pf. HS-6 consistantly appeared as the clear winner. A friend of mine, a notably better shooter, came up with the same results during the test. The HS-7 load finished second and 3N37 was last. HS-7 was in the test only because I had a pound of it loaded up. I've also called Hodgdon this week and they have confirmed again that the HS-7 is no longer being produced. I'll shoot a match this weekend with the HS-6 and practice with it for a couple of pounds to see how it goes. I'm inclined to bump it up a tenth or two to get a litlle more room at the chrono. 8.8g HS-6 115g MG CMJ 1.750" oal Fed SR 167pf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianATL Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 (edited) Posting some Hs-6 chrono data. All results from a 9mm commander length Hardy Mongoose, Nowlin barrel with two barrel holes 1.155 OAL Winchester small rifle primers 125 JHP Zero 7.6 grn 160 PF 7.8 grn 167 PF 8.0 grn 169.5 PF 8.2 grn 173 PF Edited February 13, 2006 by BrianATL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 brian, give power pistol a try. its alot cleaner than HS6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimWarner Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Anyone have any major data for Power Pistol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 I am not at home but I recall 8.2gr of PP behind a 125gr Zero with WSP primer at 1.17 OAL to make 171pf in my Bedell shorty. The only problem that I had with PP is that it was little dirty, left a pink haze on the c more and spilled a little unless I took a little more care when loading. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaG Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 More hs-6 data...... 5.4" KKM bbl. no ports, Bedell Ti comp 8.0-8.1 SDB loader 125 jhp Zero 1.150 oal .373 crimp win. brass fed. sr primers 10.1 av. deviation 40 deg. 893 elevation 1365 av. velocity 170.6 pf DaG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 published book loads show 154 power factor with 125 grain full metal jacket and 6.6 grains power pistol. depending on your gun, you may need a very different load than another(porty-shorty vs fullsize gun w/o ported barrel) Im shooting power pistol in my 38 super..7.5 grains makes 1400 fps with a 124 grain precision delta..and it doesnt leave mucho unburned powder in the ejection port like HS6 does. my super has a 5.5 inch schuemann 1/32 twist 4 port hybrid barrel. my 9mm major will be using the sti trubor barrel with the brazos compensator...ill recieve the gun monday and be able to post exactly what it will take to make major in a 5.1 inch unported barrel with power pistol... i think its gonna take around 7.2 grains to get it. Harmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimWarner Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 (edited) Translated into Excel format What I listed was complete data with Avg Vel, charge, powder, OAL, bullet weight/type. If anyone has any to add, I'd be happy to put it in. For some reason the forum won't let me upload an .xls file. http://home.comcast.net/~twarner21609/files/major9.xls Last Updated: 2-20-06 5:22pm I will keep this updated as I get more info Edited February 20, 2006 by TimWarner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 (edited) Tim's spreadsheet, but in word format. 9mm_major.doc Edited February 21, 2006 by TDean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimWarner Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I started a new thread, but this thread is linked in a lot of other forums so I thought I'd post a thread link here as well. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=32725 All the data from this thread compiled into a sortable spreadsheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 6.8 grains power pistol full sized sti trubor no barrel ports winchester brass speer ATK bulk full metal jacket bullets 124 grains federal small pistol primers (fed100) 1.160 oal. avg velocity 1402 fps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimWarner Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 Way ahead of you there buddy... Check the latest spreadsheet. Thanks for your information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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