SinistralRifleman Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 ...I've done quite a bit of ATF research but nothing has been applied for yet. Let's wait until the prototype is working and an ATF compliance review has been done before anyone gets all in a tizzy. I assure you that Jim will follow all the rules and I would not be involved in something that was not totally legal either. The fears of it being a DD are simply over stated is all I am saying. If you're concerned about getting a solid legal opinion, I recommend and use Mark Barnes and Associates based out of Washington, DC. 202-626-0089 They can help prepare your submission to BATF Firearms Technology Branch for a ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 sounds awesome! but id have to buy an Open rifle and pistol to go with it for 3gun... would be fun as hell to play with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 I am excited about it too. I would rather go with an AR style platform anyway versus buying a Saiga-12 at around $600 and then dumping more money in it to convert it. I would rather spend more money for something that ran and looked good right out of the box. I have an Open pistol now...kind of a work in progress at the moment...and I guess you could say an Open AR, so now all I need is an Open shotgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregoryd Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 I will pay you for one in peanuts and eggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Campbell Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Got to start stocking up on 20 Ga , I want one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 I'm all in, jim! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 oh! yeah! I forgot that all 20 gauge hulls are yellow. what about a 12 gauge version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Got to start stocking up on 20 Ga , I want one. I just bought all Midway had. Kidding of course. But prices on 20 guage are pretty decent and there are some good choices in slug and buck. While someone MAY be able to make a 12g work on an AR-10 platform, it won't be a standard lower. Pretty much everything will have to be custom made. I think it will help fuel the debate in Open... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMAC Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Cool. Anyone got a Beta Mag for this yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caz41 Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Sweet, this is a thread I will enjoy following! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 good question on the 12/20 ga. I guess i wouldnt have a use for one in 20 ga as i dont shoot much 20 anymore. even all of my trap/skeet is done with a 12. My shoulder may regret that this coming winter with the league im going to be in, but we'll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 If I win the lottery my plan is to build a secret underground bunker where I shall place a lathe, a mill, and the appropriate cad/structural analysis tools. Once I get Jim locked in there, my plan for overtaking the world will be underway ........mwahhahahaha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 If I win the lottery my plan is to build a secret underground bunker where I shall place a lathe, a mill, and the appropriate cad/structural analysis tools. Once I get Jim locked in there, my plan for overtaking the world will be underway ........mwahhahahaha! It better have a well equiped garage too, for when Jim gets bored with gun, he can still play with cars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 If I win the lottery my plan is to build a secret underground bunker where I shall place a lathe, a mill, and the appropriate cad/structural analysis tools. Once I get Jim locked in there, my plan for overtaking the world will be underway ........mwahhahahaha! It better have a well equiped garage too, for when Jim gets bored with gun, he can still play with cars! ......... and boats! Ask Jim about his boat racing days! I'd say if ANY ONE OF US win the Lottery, Jim's going to be a busy busy man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 I recommend and use Mark Barnes and Associates based out of Washington, DC. 202-626-0089 They can help prepare your submission to BATF Firearms Technology Branch for a ruling. Thanks for the recomendation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 If I win the lottery my plan is to build a secret underground bunker where I shall place a lathe, a mill, and the appropriate cad/structural analysis tools. Once I get Jim locked in there, my plan for overtaking the world will be underway ........mwahhahahaha! It better have a well equiped garage too, for when Jim gets bored with gun, he can still play with cars! ......... and boats! Ask Jim about his boat racing days! I'd say if ANY ONE OF US win the Lottery, Jim's going to be a busy busy man! I know all about the boats and cars, but if you will read my plan carefully you will notice the term "secret underground bunker" indicating a hole with only one door and it is gonna lock on the outside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 This could only come from the mind of a Grandmaster Mad Genius. Press on Jim! If this thing becomes a reality I may have to try my hand at Open! Very cooool. Patrick Patrick-wait for the pump version! You know me too well and you are right,I need an Open shotgun with a built in governor. Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nheiny13 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Any updates on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro-Pain Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Yeah, I'm kind of curious too. Any videos of the R&D testing?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stre-tch Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 I too am very interested in this project. I can't think of a better option. I have been jonesing for a saiga-12 but this would put that to rest. One Lower many uppers, great ergonomics, accurate, reliable,and rare If I may offer a suggestion. Not a deal breaker to me but might be to others. That this be made to the Knights/DPMS pattern instead of Armalite (if it is possible). Just because there seems to be more variety in that area (more rifle upper manufactureres e.g. DPMS, JP, Knights, Mega, etc...) so you could outfit your lower the way you want it and then have an awesome shotgun upper and rifle upper. Although this might cause issues if there is a problem with the tolerances between manufacturers. And It seems (I have no proof but only anecdotal evidence) that there are more DPMS/SR25 pattern rifles out there than Armalite. I might be wrong but it seems the DPMS/Bushmaster price point has contributed to sales. Once again great job and keep us posted when we can send the money!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stre-tch Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Bump for updates (fingers crossed) Possibly a release date? ............ Well I can dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 I know I have been pretty quiet about this and other projects...and yes, that is not quite normal The shotgun project is just waiting for some $$ to build the first 10 I cant show any detail type pics, just one look and and the answers on how to make it work, would be out in the blink of an eye And several other projects have taken much of my time and money. This gun will come to fruition...just not as fast as I wish it could Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako92S Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) You may have seen this Turkish SG already: or This one: Edited May 12, 2011 by Sako92S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 Pretty neat...even comes in a cartoon box Under current import restrictions, and the current leadership of ATF, I doubt these ever come to pass Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stre-tch Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Jim- I appreciate you commenting on the developement of your new product. I do have a few questions that I hope you can answer. If not becuase you don't have the answers or it would leak too much information I understand. Sorry for the ton of questions but I am very very very interested in this 1. Estimated price point (Obviously it could change but I would like to know how much money I need to start squirreling away )? 2. In your experience does this handles better than a Saiga-12 (this is subjective but you have a ton of experience with the saiga-12)? 3. Does it only use 2-3/4 or can it go up to 3"? 4. Does it use the standard charging handle (like in your picture) or is there a left side charging handle that I can't see? 5. Magazines - are they proprietary? Are they metal? Capacity? 6. In your opinion how does this compare to the saiga-12 as far as reliability, recoil impulse, and muzzle climb? 7. Is it only going to be on the Armalite AR-10 platform or will it be on the DPMS style platform? Thanks for the innovations as well as somewhere I can spend money I don't have yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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