P.E. Kelley

Save up and get the Gen12.

https://youtu.be/P75lMAdWPf4

I think I'd like a really large window like the M21, but I have an RMR on my clays gun and it seems to work just fine. I have a Romeo 8H on my 3 gun Gen12 and LOVE IT! How's that for a lesser than good answer? hahaha If you run both eyes open, I don't think it matters on a long gun. (multiple contact points to maintain eye-to-sight reference)

If you watch some of the shot-kam videos out and about, you will see what I see when "claying" with a red dot. I think it works pretty well.

I agree there are certainly some fine people in the the Clay games (you can me and...hahha), but Shotgun World has deleted my post of the two clay guns that I built for expressly for Sporting. The reason: "By definition, Troll post = one made for no reason other then to stir the pot and start arguments, it meets that criteria. Most clubs do not allow that style firearm on their SC courses. Steve". I admitted to wanting a discussion (Pro or Con or just Inquisitive) of the guns specifically from the competitive sporing clays community. But after I negotiated with "Steve" I have been confined to posting in the Tactical section or Gunsmith section and..." then stay on subject with the forum title. Steve" Are Sporting Shooters THAT fragile that they can't even see a photo??? I can't mention in the text I built them for Clays and they completely within the current rules? I am sorry but at least that Mod Steve is a Fudd. Shame because I am probably older that he is. I need to throw a few bucks in the hat of this forum as I had no idea other forums we so closed off. We are lucky to have this for free expression. Yours in Sport, Patrick

I am ready for any rule.

I've never had my scores made null and void at any match other than at a clay shoot. That said, I love Sporting Clays! Enough that built a pair "new rule" legal long barrel units.

I believe this episode "explains it". Beyond that I will say...It is my fault. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-66-nsca-executive-director-michael-hampton-jr/id1542488589?i=1000552803399 I shot the Oregon State Championship with a 18+" Gen12 shotgun and it was not well received by those who complain about such things. For the record I conducted myself with calm professionalism, My demeanor was not and issue. This was the gun in question. The rule is now 24" unless you get MD permission.

Some thoughts on the Genesis. https://youtu.be/UY9P65Gx-L4

Thank you my friend. I pop in on occasion.

The comp works against (resists) the barrel reciprocating (moving back into the receiver) and that can negatively effect an otherwise very reliable shotgun.

Thank you BE forum group! I too looked all over creation for the damn spring!

One of the best answers to this question on all the web, to include... recognizing>>> "If you are shooting for fun and do not care about outcome then shoot matches. Many in USPSA do just that. They practice little to no dry fire, or live fire drills and shoot only matches." <<<

I think you will be well pleased with your decision. I am! So far my Gen12 has seen several 3G and Sporting Clays events. Waterfowl later this year.

I was hoping it would be sooner than that, but welcome to the club!

This Cat knows! And I agree!!!

Thank you gents!

IMHO without a doubt>>>

I do the same but use a cleaning rod chucked in a drill motor.

Just read through this thread again for the 5th time. Some of you know that my dear wife is slowly dying of metastasized breast cancer. I am her caregiver (have lost my job to do so) and for months now I sit and watch her decay. In-between her endless hours of sleep she has moments of lucidity mixed in with dementia. Perhaps this is a test, perhaps karma owes me this, perhaps happenstance is at play. I just know that my dear girl should not have to leave this earth so soon. And to have to suffer the ravages of this insufferable disease while waiting her time is brutal for both of us.

MOA has figured out a way to incorporate the "speed load" feature of the Browning Auto 5 into the M3000 series of Stoeger shotguns.

Looks like a pumpgun barrel.

Thank you gents! I really like shooting these videos. I love that you watch and comment on them!

As was stated in the video and the article....Customer service had already seen, heard, checked, tested and retuned. Without any noticeable change.