TreblePlink Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 I thought the board was just recently voting on the final final version of the new rules. Haven't heard a peep. It seems pretty clear that we won't be seeing the actual books for a while, but when will the new final final rules be published on the HQ website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 I read somewhere that once Area 2 was over the new books would be put online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Meek Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 From the NROI Website New Rules The new 2008 Handgun Rules are at the printer and will be posted to the USPSA website after the last area match of the year. This is to ensure there is no confusion regarding which rules are currently in place and accurate. October 15, 2007 So they should be getting posted in the near future Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 right-next thing you know, someone is gonna ask when/where the nationals are in 08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Nah, but I am wondering about '09 Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 I recieved a copy of the new 2008 rule book at RO class. 93 pages, all of the IPSC references are gone, just USPSA. All the units are in US standards, not metric. Seems more straight forward than reading a rule only to get to the part where it says (US 8.7.1 Not Applicable) in 04' version. For those of you who don't know what stong hand only means, there is a more detailed glossary and appendices. I am sure it will be posted any day now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 I just posted the 2008 rulebook - we had been holding off until the last area championship of 2007. USPSA had a small pre-production of the new (2008, dark blue cover) rulebook made and distributed to directors and NROI for a final check to make sure we were satisfied with the product before giving the go-ahead for the production run. The "bulk printing" has not yet been completed, so USPSA is not sitting on a vast supply of rulebooks. It is the current plan to have these printed and mailed to members by the January 1, 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket35 Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 right-next thing you know, someone is gonna ask when/where the nationals are in 08. I'm your huckleberry! Anyone heard anything? This was on the table at the Nov BOD meeting right? Any word Rob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basman Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 http://www.uspsa.org/rules/2008HandgunRules.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 This was on the table at the Nov BOD meeting right? Any word Rob? The nationals location and date is, under the bylaws, the sole responsibility of the president. Although the president does brief the board on ongoing negotiations, USPSA does not announce a nationals date/location until there is final contract in place. Once that happens, I do not expect that there will be any delay in notifying the membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzaman383 Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Where can one find the list of guns approved for the Limited and Limited 10 divisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjbine Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 http://www.uspsa.org/rules/2008HandgunRules.pdf Thanks for the link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 There was a PDF on the differences between the old rulebook and the proposed rulebook. With some changes having been made in that proposed book, is there any chance to get a nice summary of changes from the Old Approved Rulebook (14) to the upcoming New Approved Rulebook (15). Would make it nice to get that out to RO's, CRO's, MD's and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Where can one find the list of guns approved for the Limited and Limited 10 divisions? There is no list. Just about any gun sans optics, comp or barrel weight is legal in L and L10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzaman383 Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 There is no list. Just about any gun sans optics, comp or barrel weight is legal in L and L10 The new rules have this wording: Special conditions: — Any complete handgun or components with a minimum production of 500 units by a factory and available to the general public. — A complete handgun may be approved for USPSA Limited Division after the NROI Manufacturer’s Declaration form stating that a minimum of 500 have been manufactured and available to the general public has been submitted and NROI has inspected the handgun for compliance. This seems to imply that there is an approval process and I presumed that there might end up being a list of what's been approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 There is no list. Just about any gun sans optics, comp or barrel weight is legal in L and L10 The new rules have this wording: Special conditions: — Any complete handgun or components with a minimum production of 500 units by a factory and available to the general public. — A complete handgun may be approved for USPSA Limited Division after the NROI Manufacturer’s Declaration form stating that a minimum of 500 have been manufactured and available to the general public has been submitted and NROI has inspected the handgun for compliance. This seems to imply that there is an approval process and I presumed that there might end up being a list of what's been approved. I believe that line of thnking may have missed the boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreblePlink Posted November 15, 2007 Author Share Posted November 15, 2007 I'm really, really looking forward to the "differences" list too ... "There was a PDF on the differences between the old rulebook and the proposed rulebook. With some changes having been made in that proposed book, is there any chance to get a nice summary of changes from the Old Approved Rulebook (14) to the upcoming New Approved Rulebook (15)." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 From what I remember of those documents USPSA posted one and Linda Chico compiled another (and it was very nicely done, Linda! ). Considering the number of changes made after these guides were created, I'm not sure they would be of much use without significant revisions. Link to Linda's version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 I was intrigued by one item while reading the new rule book: 1.2.1.3 “Long Courses” in Level III or higher matches must not require more than 32 rounds to complete.... Has there been a great demand for a COF with more than 32 rounds at the local level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 I was intrigued by one item while reading the new rule book: 1.2.1.3 “Long Courses” in Level III or higher matches must not require more than 32 rounds to complete.... Has there been a great demand for a COF with more than 32 rounds at the local level? Shot one last month...grins and giggles and I shoot production. I wouldn't mind seeing more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Meek Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 In the 2004 rulebook there was an exception (that was exploited) allowing level 1 matches some variance in the use of free fire zones and round count limitations. In the 2008 rule book any allowed exception has been limited to the specific rule(s) for level 1 matches. The reasoning behind the round count greater than 32 (as I understand it) was there were clubs that had a limited number of bays and this allows them to increase the round count for the level 1 match. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 The 32+ thing also allows for certain matches to be USPSA sactioned, like the Crazy Croc and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Heiter Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 It may be a regional thing, but in this area there is a large demand for courses with more than 32 rounds. I see lots of big matches w/ 8-10 stages advertising 230-250+ round counts. It's hard to maintain that kind of count AND keep a good balance of short, medium, long courses w/out pushing 32 here or there and people are drawn to the higher round count matches because we're all here to shoot. Those same high round count stages trickle down to local matches. We try not to have too many of them because we don't want anyone to not be able to shoot the stage w/ the mags/moons they have but we have done it on occasion. Someone gets designated to reload the first dropped mag to be handed back to the shooter later in the course when they need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I just posted the 2008 rulebook - we had been holding off until the last area championship of 2007. Rob, will it eventually be searchable like the current one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgnoyes Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Rob, will it eventually be searchable like the current one? Actually, it currently IS searchable, I just haven't written in a table of contents yet (I HAVE started on it, though) and cross-linked references to other rules. I'm also cropping the pages down to the avenel marks for improved appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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