shred Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 What's wrong with having a few large divisions instead of a zillion small ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eidoss Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 30 minutes ago, shred said: What's wrong with having a few large divisions instead of a zillion small ones? I kinda like how PSCL sorted the divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHicks Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 43 minutes ago, shred said: What's wrong with having a few large divisions instead of a zillion small ones? It remains to be seen but CO and LO separately would probably be two of the largest divisions. I don't see it as better to have one division at 60%+ as opposed to maybe 35/25%. Just a guess at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Seems like you'd have better competition in one large versus two split divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHicks Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, shred said: Seems like you'd have better competition in one large versus two split divisions. If they were like SS, Revolver, Limited 10, and lately Limited and Production. Is the level of competition meaningless in Open and Limited now because CO is the biggest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutePibble Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) Just merge it and allow 2011s in CO. Right now locally nobody good switched to LO from CO. And CO masters and A-class sandbaggers are still kicking everyone’s ass. also if you look at classifier data from my other post — you’ll see that there’s virtually no difference. Edited February 25 by CutePibble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyknar Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 There are already manufacturers making guns specific to this division being accepted. Not sure my the USPSA BOD voted to extend the provisional out to Jan 2025 though. The USPSA March 20th meeting minutes just say they approved the motion to extend it, but not why! I want to know their reason for extending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 3 hours ago, Spyknar said: There are already manufacturers making guns specific to this division being accepted. Not sure my the USPSA BOD voted to extend the provisional out to Jan 2025 though. The USPSA March 20th meeting minutes just say they approved the motion to extend it, but not why! I want to know their reason for extending. The only reason I can think of is combining LO and CO. I ain't saying that is what they should do, but it is the only thing that I think they could really be considering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 5 hours ago, RJH said: The only reason I can think of is combining LO and CO. I ain't saying that is what they should do, but it is the only thing that I think they could really be considering Actually I would not be surprised if they reduce the magazines capacity to 15 rds in CO. This would make it closer to IPSC Production optics while further separating CO from LO. Makes sense actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 35 minutes ago, cheby said: Actually I would not be surprised if they reduce the magazines capacity to 15 rds in CO. This would make it closer to IPSC Production optics while further separating CO from LO. Makes sense actually. But that would have nothing to do with the provisional status of LO. That would have to do with changing the rules of CO which is something else entirely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mitch Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 17 hours ago, Spyknar said: There are already manufacturers making guns specific to this division being accepted. Not sure my the USPSA BOD voted to extend the provisional out to Jan 2025 though. The USPSA March 20th meeting minutes just say they approved the motion to extend it, but not why! I want to know their reason for extending. IPSC is looking to create an LO division, and USPSA is looking at mirroring IPSC. CO might end up turning into IPSC Production Optics, and LO might end up with major power factor. IPSC is a slow bureaucratic dinosaur that takes an incredible amount of time to make any changes, which would align with pushing out to 2025. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 If they're gonna have two divisions, they need to provide more differentiation than 'magwell and different trigger'. I'd prefer a hard and fast number for capacity vs the cram-another-round-in tail-chasing, but some people seem to like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerslayer Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 15 hours ago, RJH said: The only reason I can think of is combining LO and CO. I ain't saying that is what they should do, but it is the only thing that I think they could really be considering Or they could be just kicking the can down the road until all the dust (hopefully) settles from all the drama and turmoil. The board hasn't been able to put enough attention on normal shooting stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 "it's going ok now... let's give it another year and see. All in favor?" is about the easiest board vote ever. Like other 'temporary' laws, it gets another year to cement itself into place and calcify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuz Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Hey should do what should have been done at the start. There never should have been a carry optics division. It should have been Production Optics with the only difference being the slide mounted optic. Same with Limited Optics. It should be exactly the same as Limited, but with a slide mounted optic. Heck, might as well even have a Limited-10 Optic Division. Easy peasy, simple as pie. I don’t understand why this wasn’t the clear choice from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 they did,,, and no one shot CO because people didnt want to load 10 rounds in their guns that held 20.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 2 hours ago, Joe4d said: they did,,, and no one shot CO because people didnt want to load 10 rounds in their guns that held 20.. And yet it worked in IPSC with 15 rounds…. USPSA screwed up the divisions, IPSC generally only changes rules in conjunction with a World Shoot (every 3 years). USPSA changes them too frequently in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuz Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 2 hours ago, Joe4d said: they did,,, and no one shot CO because people didnt want to load 10 rounds in their guns that held 20.. Yup, and then they went an ruined Production by going to 15 rounds. I bet at 15 rounds, Production Optics would be as popular as it is now. But, I'm definitely biased towards my own desires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHicks Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 I just don't see a lot of current shooters in CO being happy to dial the mag round count back to 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuz Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 11 hours ago, MHicks said: I just don't see a lot of current shooters in CO being happy to dial the mag round count back to 15. Especially not after spending all that money on +5 base pads for all their standard capacity (15-20 round) magazines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich406 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 This thread is funny. Everyone wants change so long as it doesn’t affect them personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42ATK Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Idk why they want to change Carry optics or limited optics. Different style guns and people like the divisions as is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHicks Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 11 minutes ago, Rich406 said: This thread is funny. Everyone wants change so long as it doesn’t affect them personally. There's some truth to that. But it seems different to me when you add a division like LO, for example. Shooters can decide to stay where they are or move to that division if they like. If you take a current very popular division , CO, that many have been shooting for years and suddenly change mag capacity down to 15, that's a whole different level of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich406 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 21 minutes ago, MHicks said: There's some truth to that. But it seems different to me when you add a division like LO, for example. Shooters can decide to stay where they are or move to that division if they like. If you take a current very popular division , CO, that many have been shooting for years and suddenly change mag capacity down to 15, that's a whole different level of change. CO had pretty much turned into a catch all before LO was introduced. if you created the divisions from scratch today things would be a lot different. The problem now is, people are too personally invested and don’t want to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick303 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 All I know is I am just waiting for all of the 2011s to be at the top of the leader boards at various matches in LO. Wait..... That didn't happen??? Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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