Stuntman Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 WSB says "Loaded gun lying flat on table." Based on this would propping be allowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konkapot Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 No. "Lying flat" means no propping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Stuntman said: WSB says "Loaded gun lying flat on table." Based on this would propping be allowed? Lost an argument last weekend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEH Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 2 hours ago, ChuckS said: Lost an argument last weekend? Tell me more. we want to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 27 minutes ago, EEH said: Tell me more. we want to know It was stated in either my RO or CRO course: "One of the metrics that can be used to evaluate your match are the Monday morning comments on Enos" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEH Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 I take that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 56 minutes ago, ChuckS said: It was stated in either my RO or CRO course: "One of the metrics that can be used to evaluate your match are the Monday morning comments on Enos" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 7 hours ago, Stuntman said: WSB says "Loaded gun lying flat on table." Based on this would propping be allowed? Sure. Just like you can let your arms hang down when the WSB says wrists above respective shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntman Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 22 hours ago, ChuckS said: Lost an argument last weekend? Heh, no. For years I've seen stage descriptions written as "Loaded gun lying flat, unpropped on table". It's redundant, I get it. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Admittedly, I can't stand seeing redundant instructions in stage descriptions like "gun loaded with safety engaged". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, Stuntman said: Heh, no. For years I've seen stage descriptions written as "Loaded gun lying flat, unpropped on table". It's redundant, I get it. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Admittedly, I can't stand seeing redundant instructions in stage descriptions like "gun loaded with safety engaged". It’s there because people are stupid and try to argue it regardless. You’d be amazed at the stuff you see if you’re exposed to it especially at level 1s. It’s like having do not drink on antifreeze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Maybe leave some Tide Pods out on the table too. "It doesn't say not to eat them!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 9 hours ago, shred said: Maybe leave some Tide Pods out on the table too. "It doesn't say not to eat them!" LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 I always like it when the WSB says gun on table trigger guard over x, but does not specify laying flat. My gun will stand up without being propped and it causes much wailing and gnashing of teeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 30 minutes ago, RJH said: I always like it when the WSB says gun on table trigger guard over x, but does not specify laying flat. My gun will stand up without being propped and it causes much wailing and gnashing of teeth You are why WSB’s need to be 3 paragraphs long and vetted by a range master! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 meh.... like it really matters. if you think it's faster to stand your gun straight up, i don't much care. I actually prefer to leave some 'gaming' leeway in my wsb in hopes of getting people to try dumb stuff they have never practiced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, motosapiens said: meh.... like it really matters. if you think it's faster to stand your gun straight up, i don't much care. I actually prefer to leave some 'gaming' leeway in my wsb in hopes of getting people to try dumb stuff they have never practiced. Somewhat agree. Always funny to not mention something like hand position. You play 20 questions all day long at the match. Easier just to make it clear more often than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaterHead Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 Just to throw some gas on the fire…. A gun with a slide racker can only be laid flat if the racker is up. Racker down would be a prop and not flat. And… I suppose there is a rule somewhere addressing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, TaterHead said: Just to throw some gas on the fire…. A gun with a slide racker can only be laid flat if the racker is up. Racker down would be a prop and not flat. And… I suppose there is a rule somewhere addressing this. What if you have a wide safety on both sides? That would do the same thing just to a smaller degree. Magwell...can't lay the gun "flat" either. I'd say you just sit the gun down and not over think it. Edited August 4, 2022 by Racinready300ex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 Just now, Racinready300ex said: What if you have a wide safety on both sides? That would do the same thing just to a smaller degree. Luckily I worked an empty gun table start stage at classic nationals. neither the slide racker nor a fat safety is considered 'propped'. they are just an ugly part of the gun. 'propped' refers to using other items like a magazine or stray piece of brass to balance your gun more precariously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 (edited) Just now, motosapiens said: Luckily I worked an empty gun table start stage at classic nationals. neither the slide racker nor a fat safety is considered 'propped'. they are just an ugly part of the gun. 'propped' refers to using other items like a magazine or stray piece of brass to balance your gun more precariously. that's what I would assume thanks for conformation Edited August 4, 2022 by Racinready300ex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 4 hours ago, TaterHead said: Just to throw some gas on the fire…. A gun with a slide racker can only be laid flat if the racker is up. Racker down would be a prop and not flat. And… I suppose there is a rule somewhere addressing this. What is racker “up or down”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, Sarge said: What is racker “up or down”? i assume he meant left side racker would mean laying it on the opposite side so the racker is up. that would be lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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