Stuntman Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 WSB says "Loaded gun lying flat on table." Based on this would propping be allowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konkapot Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 No. "Lying flat" means no propping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, Stuntman said: WSB says "Loaded gun lying flat on table." Based on this would propping be allowed? Lost an argument last weekend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEH Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 hours ago, ChuckS said: Lost an argument last weekend? Tell me more. we want to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 27 minutes ago, EEH said: Tell me more. we want to know It was stated in either my RO or CRO course: "One of the metrics that can be used to evaluate your match are the Monday morning comments on Enos" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEH Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 I take that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 56 minutes ago, ChuckS said: It was stated in either my RO or CRO course: "One of the metrics that can be used to evaluate your match are the Monday morning comments on Enos" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 7 hours ago, Stuntman said: WSB says "Loaded gun lying flat on table." Based on this would propping be allowed? Sure. Just like you can let your arms hang down when the WSB says wrists above respective shoulders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntman Posted August 2 Author Share Posted August 2 22 hours ago, ChuckS said: Lost an argument last weekend? Heh, no. For years I've seen stage descriptions written as "Loaded gun lying flat, unpropped on table". It's redundant, I get it. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Admittedly, I can't stand seeing redundant instructions in stage descriptions like "gun loaded with safety engaged". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 14 minutes ago, Stuntman said: Heh, no. For years I've seen stage descriptions written as "Loaded gun lying flat, unpropped on table". It's redundant, I get it. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Admittedly, I can't stand seeing redundant instructions in stage descriptions like "gun loaded with safety engaged". It’s there because people are stupid and try to argue it regardless. You’d be amazed at the stuff you see if you’re exposed to it especially at level 1s. It’s like having do not drink on antifreeze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted Wednesday at 03:06 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 03:06 PM Maybe leave some Tide Pods out on the table too. "It doesn't say not to eat them!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted Thursday at 12:26 AM Share Posted Thursday at 12:26 AM 9 hours ago, shred said: Maybe leave some Tide Pods out on the table too. "It doesn't say not to eat them!" LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted Thursday at 12:17 PM Share Posted Thursday at 12:17 PM I always like it when the WSB says gun on table trigger guard over x, but does not specify laying flat. My gun will stand up without being propped and it causes much wailing and gnashing of teeth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted Thursday at 12:49 PM Share Posted Thursday at 12:49 PM 30 minutes ago, RJH said: I always like it when the WSB says gun on table trigger guard over x, but does not specify laying flat. My gun will stand up without being propped and it causes much wailing and gnashing of teeth You are why WSB’s need to be 3 paragraphs long and vetted by a range master! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted Thursday at 02:35 PM Share Posted Thursday at 02:35 PM meh.... like it really matters. if you think it's faster to stand your gun straight up, i don't much care. I actually prefer to leave some 'gaming' leeway in my wsb in hopes of getting people to try dumb stuff they have never practiced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted Thursday at 02:48 PM Share Posted Thursday at 02:48 PM 12 minutes ago, motosapiens said: meh.... like it really matters. if you think it's faster to stand your gun straight up, i don't much care. I actually prefer to leave some 'gaming' leeway in my wsb in hopes of getting people to try dumb stuff they have never practiced. Somewhat agree. Always funny to not mention something like hand position. You play 20 questions all day long at the match. Easier just to make it clear more often than not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaterHead Posted Thursday at 02:58 PM Share Posted Thursday at 02:58 PM Just to throw some gas on the fire…. A gun with a slide racker can only be laid flat if the racker is up. Racker down would be a prop and not flat. And… I suppose there is a rule somewhere addressing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted Thursday at 03:53 PM Share Posted Thursday at 03:53 PM (edited) 55 minutes ago, TaterHead said: Just to throw some gas on the fire…. A gun with a slide racker can only be laid flat if the racker is up. Racker down would be a prop and not flat. And… I suppose there is a rule somewhere addressing this. What if you have a wide safety on both sides? That would do the same thing just to a smaller degree. Magwell...can't lay the gun "flat" either. I'd say you just sit the gun down and not over think it. Edited Thursday at 03:54 PM by Racinready300ex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted Thursday at 03:56 PM Share Posted Thursday at 03:56 PM Just now, Racinready300ex said: What if you have a wide safety on both sides? That would do the same thing just to a smaller degree. Luckily I worked an empty gun table start stage at classic nationals. neither the slide racker nor a fat safety is considered 'propped'. they are just an ugly part of the gun. 'propped' refers to using other items like a magazine or stray piece of brass to balance your gun more precariously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted Thursday at 03:56 PM Share Posted Thursday at 03:56 PM (edited) Just now, motosapiens said: Luckily I worked an empty gun table start stage at classic nationals. neither the slide racker nor a fat safety is considered 'propped'. they are just an ugly part of the gun. 'propped' refers to using other items like a magazine or stray piece of brass to balance your gun more precariously. that's what I would assume thanks for conformation Edited Thursday at 03:57 PM by Racinready300ex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted Thursday at 07:16 PM Share Posted Thursday at 07:16 PM 4 hours ago, TaterHead said: Just to throw some gas on the fire…. A gun with a slide racker can only be laid flat if the racker is up. Racker down would be a prop and not flat. And… I suppose there is a rule somewhere addressing this. What is racker “up or down”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted Thursday at 07:30 PM Share Posted Thursday at 07:30 PM 12 minutes ago, Sarge said: What is racker “up or down”? i assume he meant left side racker would mean laying it on the opposite side so the racker is up. that would be lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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