dmshozer1 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Can you put a vertical fore grip on and be legal in USPSA matches in PCC division? Thought I read somewhere you could but it could not be longer than 7" in length. Link to comment
LowSpeedHighDrag Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Forgive a stupid question, but why would you want something like that? Link to comment
Sarge Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 27 minutes ago, dmshozer1 said: Can you put a vertical fore grip on and be legal in USPSA matches in PCC division? Thought I read somewhere you could but it could not be longer than 7" in length. The rules, believe it or not, are vague on this matter. I just looked at PCC Appendix and there is no mention of them. But it does say all applicable handgun rules apply to pcc. Then Chapter 5 says no stock or foregrips on handguns. While I believe they are fine on a carbine I really don't see black and white permission. Link to comment
jerseyglock Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 PCC is all about speed and accuracy. No time to brace wall or port to shoot targets. Link to comment
dmshozer1 Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 hour ago, jerseyglock said: PCC is all about speed and accuracy. No time to brace wall or port to shoot targets. Not my intent. Not my question. I did not ask for your opinion. Asked if the rules say if they are permitted or not. Link to comment
dmshozer1 Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 4 hours ago, dmshozer1 said: Can you put a vertical fore grip on and be legal in USPSA matches in PCC division? Thought I read somewhere you could but it could not be longer than 7" in length. Found this, 5.1.8.1. In red highlight. Link to comment
fishhunter3 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 9 hours ago, dmshozer1 said: Found this, 5.1.8.1. In red highlight. ? Link to comment
Sarge Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 11 hours ago, dmshozer1 said: Found this, 5.1.8.1. In red highlight. I don’t even see 5.1.8.1 in the rules? Link to comment
dmshozer1 Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 Just now, Sarge said: I don’t even see 5.1.8.1 in the rules? Let me check, Might have the wrong rule. Link to comment
dmshozer1 Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, dmshozer1 said: Let me check, Might have the wrong rule. A competitor who substitutes or significantly modifies a firearm and/or sights during a match without the prior approval of the Range Master will be subject to the provisions of Rule 10.6.1. 5.1.8.1 The mounting or detaching of a magwell, barricade stop or vertical front grip is not considered a significant modification of a firearm. 2019 IPSIC PCC rule book Link to comment
dmshozer1 Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, dmshozer1 said: A competitor who substitutes or significantly modifies a firearm and/or sights during a match without the prior approval of the Range Master will be subject to the provisions of Rule 10.6.1. 5.1.8.1 The mounting or detaching of a magwell, barricade stop or vertical front grip is not considered a significant modification of a firearm. 2019 IPSIC PCC rule book Ok, I am looking at IPSIC rules. I cannot open the USPSA rule book. No mention of it in the USPSA rules? Link to comment
Sarge Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, dmshozer1 said: Ok, I am looking at IPSIC rules. I cannot open the USPSA rule book. No mention of it in the USPSA rules? Not at all. USPSA only has 5.1.8 A competitor who substitutes or significantly modifies a firearm during a match without the prior approval of the Range Master will be subject to the provisions of Section 10.6. Edited August 27, 2019 by Sarge Link to comment
barrysuperhawk Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Since pcc is kind of "anything goes" in most other areas (mags, lasers, optics, etc.) And only really specific about a very few things (pistol braces, nfa stuff), my local clubs don't seem to care. Many of my fellow competitors are running some fashion of forward grip or grip aid. I even saw a competitor with a strap like those short shotguns on his pcc (to be fair, though, he is a disabled vet and it allows him to be safer). YMMV Link to comment
dmshozer1 Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Sarge said: Not at all. USPSA only has 5.1.8 A competitor who substitutes or significantly modifies a firearm during a match without the prior approval of the Range Master will be subject to the provisions of Section 10.6. So Sarge, What do you think? Sounds like if you left it on during the match it's legal Link to comment
Sarge Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 hour ago, dmshozer1 said: So Sarge, What do you think? Sounds like if you left it on during the match it's legal I have seen them used on PCC's but that doesn't mean they are legal. BUT, I think PCC is pretty much unlimited mods allowed. Like I said though, the rule seems confusing and contradictory. In my humble opinion they are legal for use. Link to comment
Dan Sierpina Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 2 hours ago, dmshozer1 said: So Sarge, What do you think? Sounds like if you left it on during the match it's legal Dave, Send Troy an email. He responds pretty quickly. That will end any speculation. Link to comment
dmshozer1 Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Dan Sierpina said: Dave, Send Troy an email. He responds pretty quickly. That will end any speculation. How you doing Dan? Will do. Link to comment
dmshozer1 Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 Ok, Emailed Troy. To quote him "Yes, it is" Done Link to comment
perttime Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, dmshozer1 said: Ok, Emailed Troy. To quote him "Yes, it is" Done Allowed or banned? Link to comment
dmshozer1 Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, perttime said: Allowed or banned? Sorry, Legal. Link to comment
ADulay Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Wow! A solution in under 25 messages. I do believe that's some kind of world record. AD Link to comment
Nevadazielmeister Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, ADulay said: Wow! A solution in under 25 messages. I do believe that's some kind of world record. AD Or maybe someone could have just emailed Troy in the beginning and avoided this entire thread. Troy is an amazing wealth of information and I swear, must have memorized the rule book. Link to comment
TrackCage Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 32 minutes ago, Nevadazielmeister said: Or maybe someone could have just emailed Troy in the beginning and avoided this entire thread. Troy is an amazing wealth of information and I swear, must have memorized the rule book. Or maybe recalls what he wants to and interprets the rest depending on which way the wind is blowing. Maybe that's just the production shooter in me talking Link to comment
Ming the Merciless Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, TrackCage said: Or maybe recalls what he wants to and interprets the rest depending on which way the wind is blowing. Maybe that's just the production shooter in me talking I think you've mistakenly logged into the wrong forum, this is the Enos forum, not that other forum. Edited September 7, 2019 by Ming the Merciless Link to comment
Bifurcate Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 On 8/26/2019 at 8:25 PM, jerseyglock said: PCC is all about speed and accuracy. No time to brace wall or port to shoot targets. I don't know how it took so many people so much bickering what is clearly stated in the rules as legal - BUT - This has nothing to do with barricades. I have an 8" barrel PCC, I'm 6' tall. I have a vertical grip extended as far as I can comfortably get to the muzzle because if I don't, I'm choking up on the rail. I use it as a handstop more than anything else but where the BCM KAG and other such grips work well, I like bit more vertical to get my entire hand on (not around). Link to comment
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