kellyn Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Remington and Mossberg have now standardized detachable box magazines in the 870 and 590 line of pump shotguns. I can only imagine that they will make their way to the popular semi-auto shotguns shortly. Currently this would place the shooter in Open division. So should we fight the future to retain our caddies, vests, and quad loads? Or start planning on allowing these types of shotguns in the other divisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, kellyn said: Remington and Mossberg have now standardized detachable box magazines in the 870 and 590 line of pump shotguns. I can only imagine that they will make their way to the popular semi-auto shotguns shortly. Currently this would place the shooter in Open division. So should we fight the future to retain our caddies, vests, and quad loads? Or start planning on allowing these types of shotguns in the other divisions? Keep doing what we have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 18 minutes ago, kellyn said: Remington and Mossberg have now standardized detachable box magazines in the 870 and 590 line of pump shotguns. I can only imagine that they will make their way to the popular semi-auto shotguns shortly. Currently this would place the shooter in Open division. So should we fight the future to retain our caddies, vests, and quad loads? Or start planning on allowing these types of shotguns in the other divisions? screw that-box fed = open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, kellyn said: Remington and Mossberg have now standardized detachable box magazines in the 870 and 590 line of pump shotguns. I can only imagine that they will make their way to the popular semi-auto shotguns shortly. Currently this would place the shooter in Open division. So should we fight the future to retain our caddies, vests, and quad loads? Or start planning on allowing these types of shotguns in the other divisions? Box mag fed= Open. If match directors want to have Heavy Open for the pump shotgunners shooting .308 and .45's, that's up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Who says they'll ever get such things to work? It seems like maybe T&N and Dissident have magazines sorted out for guns actually designed for box mags, but only after years of those guns screwing the pooch. We should probably give them 15 years to figure it out before we start thinking about rule changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 We have allowed box fed shotguns in our tactical classes since 2010 at the Oklahoma City Gun Club. We only require that it hold no more than division capacity at any time. It has never caused any trouble, and to date it has never been a deciding factor in the outcome of a match. To put this in perspective, we started the red dots allowed in tac limited or as we call it tac non magnified. It is simple little innovations that help grow the sport. Also as non useful as some of these Shotguns have become, I would willingly welcome a social shotgun that actually is short and handy and magazine fed!......at least it will fit inside the bed of a regular sized pick up truck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Lengthwise or crosswise ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I like that Mossberg. Hell, if I had one I would shoot open just to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Either wise! But I was thinking mainly lengthwise. Some of these "tactical" shotguns are longer than an on shore casting rig for surf zone fishing. I once saw a young athlete ask to borrow one for the pole vault competition!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1981Shooter Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 8 hours ago, TonytheTiger said: Who says they'll ever get such things to work? It seems like maybe T&N and Dissident have magazines sorted out for guns actually designed for box mags, but only after years of those guns screwing the pooch. We should probably give them 15 years to figure it out before we start thinking about rule changes. T&N and Dissident don't have nearly the level of engineering support and capital behind them as Mossberg and Remington. They'll get it figured out much quicker than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1chota Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Back in my duck hunting days I dreamed of a belt fed shotgun. Now there's a story that needs to be told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 hours ago, 1981Shooter said: T&N and Dissident don't have nearly the level of engineering support and capital behind them as Mossberg and Remington. They'll get it figured out much quicker than that. I don't know about that, factory new Remington, Mossberg and Ruger rifles often fail to function out of the box. And they've been making some of the product lines for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpeltier Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 On 1/26/2018 at 6:37 PM, kellyn said: Remington and Mossberg have now standardized detachable box magazines in the 870 and 590 line of pump shotguns. I can only imagine that they will make their way to the popular semi-auto shotguns shortly. Currently this would place the shooter in Open division. So should we fight the future to retain our caddies, vests, and quad loads? Or start planning on allowing these types of shotguns in the other divisions? Just like the carry optics discussion, this won't be a popular option with the open shooters. I like Kurts reply very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I'd be more excited to see that family of double-stack magazines shoehorned into a semi-auto platform... that would rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaster Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 we will see jerry shooting one this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 15 hours ago, Blaster said: we will see jerry shooting one this year a pump gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 No dot, no comp, not open. Pistols can have detachable mags, as can rifles and not be in open, why should shotguns be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Stlhead said: No dot, no comp, not open. Pistols can have detachable mags, as can rifles and not be in open, why should shotguns be different. Every pistol and rifle used have detachable mags that's a horrible argument. And the why is it's in the rules right there with the dot and comp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TA338 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 I strongly believe that tube magazimes in shotguns are going the way Winchester 1873s and 1892s did.Aficionados and people familiar with the old systems will continue using the. Military and police will start switching over to detachable magazines in shotguns because speed loading and switching ammo types with them is so much easier to train to a huge number of recruits not familiar with firearms. Tube shotguns will slowly become the Dodo bird of "social shotguns". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Garmil said: Every pistol and rifle used have detachable mags that's a horrible argument. And the why is it's in the rules right there with the dot and comp. No, revolvers do not have detachable magazines, nor do many rifles. The poor bastards in California don't have detachable mags on many of their rifles. Why pick on shotguns with detachable magazines? I could give two shits if people use magazine fed shotguns in limited and scope tac, but to say that they should be excluded because the current rules say so is short sighted and illogical. Detachable magazines are not a new invention, they are not even controversial. A detachable magazine for a shotgun is no more "Open" than a detachable magazine for a rifle or a pistol. "Open" is everything, the other divisions are defined by what features they allow, and they allow detachable magazines on two of the three guns. Why not allow it for all three. The main reason people don't want detachable magazines in the other divisions is that they don't want to buy a new shotgun after dumping too much money into what they already use, especially when the detachable mag shotguns have been so lackluster in the past. Those arguments should not hold any water. If the feature (detachable magazine) is too much of an advantage for any but open, then we should make all detachable magazines open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 how many revolvers do you see shooting 3 gun? or rifles that do not use a detachable magazine? California has bullet buttons they are still detachable magazines. the rest of that is just your personal opinion and id guess youre in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothandnail Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 My opinion, we have let the tacops rules get out of line. SG tubes that hold 13+, shell placement that is, in the loading port but not "in" the port, drums in rifles, muzzle supporting devices that are not "bipods", triple/quad coupled mags that are "monopods", wings on base pads, etc. Racing is racing, and if you aren't pushing the envelope, you probably aren't winning. But you also have to have a rule set that delineates the divisions or you end up with essentially one. The guys who can afford to throw down the $$ (may not win) but will discourage beginners who can't/wont, drop the big bucks just to try out a new hobbie. When they see many with $10K+ of stuff, compared to their $2k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 20 hours ago, Garmil said: how many revolvers do you see shooting 3 gun? or rifles that do not use a detachable magazine? California has bullet buttons they are still detachable magazines. the rest of that is just your personal opinion and id guess youre in the minority. So I get that you disagree, are you going to support your argument? Or are you going to try and poke holes in mine? Or are you done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 My argument is the rules. Yours is that they should change the rules. Not much to argue about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 If detachable magazine shotguns are allowed in all divisions- why are we still shooting shotgun at all? Just eliminate the shotgun altogether, return to some practical application of firearms, and have 2 gun matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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