waktasz Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 On 9/12/2017 at 12:05 AM, Banacek said: Question for you Rowdyb. What gun are you shooting in CO and what internal trigger mods have you made. I have a Glock 34 and since the Zev or other speed triggers are not legal, I want to confirm that I am interpreting the rules and I can change springs and the connector to reduce trigger pull and make a smoother trigger. You can do anything that is not externally visible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrvip27 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 What about magazine location and angle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennJeep1618 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 28 minutes ago, mrvip27 said: What about magazine location and angle? Same as Production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo61 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Can you have cocking serrations milled into a Glock slide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyman1876 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Can you have cocking serrations milled into a Glock slide? Yes. No window cuts though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ammowaster Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Rules state that you can mill the slide as long as you don't go all the way through it. No lightening holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraj Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, jimbo61 said: Can you have cocking serrations milled into a Glock slide? "A slide may be modified specifically for the purpose of installing optical sights or cocking serrations. Textured finishes, grip tape, milling or stippling on the slide to provide texture is also allowed. Cuts that are designed to specifically or significantly lighten the slide, such as holes, are ruled as competitive advantage and prohibited." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banacek Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 10/1/2017 at 3:13 PM, jimbo61 said: Can you have cocking serrations milled into a Glock slide? On 10/1/2017 at 3:20 PM, tyman1876 said: Yes. No window cuts though How about having a slide pull added like the one here? http://www.glockstore.com/Slide-Pull-Charging-Handle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 On 10/9/2017 at 4:14 PM, Banacek said: How about having a slide pull added like the one here? http://www.glockstore.com/Slide-Pull-Charging-Handle Not legal for CO (not an OFM part). It's OK for Open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrishoward1364 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 I figured I might revive this thread for a Semi related question. Im setting up a carry optics gun, and am going to have a company called Jagerwerks mill the RMR cut, and the cocking serrations on the slide. The specific cut I am having done they call the "downrange" http://jagerwerks.com/down-range/ My question for the ROs of the group is this: could a legalistic RO say that the slight recesses on the sides of the slide inbetween the sets of cocking serrations (where the little JW logo is) be interpreted as "a cut to specifically or significantly lighten the slide" ? Perhaps I'm just a bit RO paranoid, but in my region carry optics has minor participation, and I would hate to see my nice new carry optics gen 5 bumped to open on a minor technicality. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chrishoward1364 said: I figured I might revive this thread for a Semi related question. Im setting up a carry optics gun, and am going to have a company called Jagerwerks mill the RMR cut, and the cocking serrations on the slide. The specific cut I am having done they call the "downrange" http://jagerwerks.com/down-range/ My question for the ROs of the group is this: could a legalistic RO say that the slight recesses on the sides of the slide inbetween the sets of cocking serrations (where the little JW logo is) be interpreted as "a cut to specifically or significantly lighten the slide" ? Perhaps I'm just a bit RO paranoid, but in my region carry optics has minor participation, and I would hate to see my nice new carry optics gen 5 bumped to open on a minor technicality. Thanks in advance. Email Troy and include pics from the website etc. Personally I wouldn’t do it without solid approval from the DNROI. Edited November 15, 2017 by Sarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 what other purpose does that cut serve other than to make it lighter ? Doesnt seem like a technicality to me. Seems like a lightening cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwx40x40 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Sarge said: Email Troy and include pics from the website etc. Personally I wouldn’t do it without solid approval from the DNROI. Waiting to see answer as well.However, I thought since it was not a cut through window it would be ok. And , as long as we are asking these types of questions, I noticed the TTI Combat Master G34 that Ashley ran in CO Nats has a interesting nose cut on the frame. I am assuming extreme frame mods are okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef15 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 21.2b says "to specifically or significantly lighten" looks to be specifically aesthetic and unless deceiving in depth a pretty insignificant weight reduction that could be exceeded while staying in the rules. Betting Troy says it's fine. Frame mods are covered under grips, while it says "not limited to" I don't really see how reprofiling the nose of the frame could be allowed when all the examples are things that may affect gripping the gun, but I also don't see how a cut there would be a competitive advantage I wouldn't do it, but wouldn't be upset if someone wasn't bumped for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrishoward1364 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) Pardon my ignorance as I'm new to USPSA, but does anyone have Troy's email address and info ? Edited November 15, 2017 by Chrishoward1364 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrishoward1364 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 @Joe4d and @mwx40x40, I too noticed Ashley, and a few others running TTI glocks that were allowed on a high level in USPSA, and those have those nose bobs on the front of The slide. Seems to me those would be prohibited as they go past cutting a lightening channel, and right over to actually cutting a portion of the slide off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Id say quite a bit of cutting is allowed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrishoward1364 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 39 minutes ago, Patrick Scott said: Id say quite a bit of cutting is allowed... Thanks Patrick, I suppose that effectively answers that right there. I will still likely seek a clarification from Troy to appease any possible legalists who are ROing, but it seems to me that if that's legal in nationals than that rule effectively doesn't exist unless you actually cut a port through the slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Chrishoward1364 said: Pardon my ignorance as I'm new to USPSA, but does anyone have Troy's email address and info ? dnroi@uspsa.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Patrick Scott said: Id say quite a bit of cutting is allowed... Since that cut is obviously not for cocking serrations or grip enhancement, I suppose allowing that slide depends on NROI's opinion of what "contour" means: SLIDES: Current rules remain in effect – You may replace the slide with an OFM or aftermarket slide which is of the same length, contour and caliber as the original slide for that model of gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) that gun shoulda been bumped to open. . See things haven't changed much. oh well. Edited November 16, 2017 by Joe4d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrishoward1364 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Well, I went to the source on it, and emailed Troy. The reply was eloquent in its brevity. Me: Hi Troy, my name is Chris Howard, and I have a question about the current Carry optics rules. I want to get this cut done on a gen 5 Glock I'm setting up for CO http://jagerwerks.com/down-range/ but I'm unclear as to if the small recesses (where the JW logo is) on the sides would make that illegal as "a cut to specifically or significantly lighten the slide" On one hand, no it doesn't add a competitive advantage, and multiple high level shooters including Ashley Rheurark shot at nationals with TTI glocks that have similar cuts, which would seem illegal in the rules, but on the other hand I could see a legalist bumping me to open because of it. If you could write back something I could use in case I run into any trouble that would be appreciated. Thanks and have a great day. Troy Mcmanus: It's not a hole, and per D7, 21.2b, it's allowed. Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 20 minutes ago, Chrishoward1364 said: Well, I went to the source on it, and emailed Troy. The reply was eloquent in its brevity. Me: Hi Troy, my name is Chris Howard, and I have a question about the current Carry optics rules. I want to get this cut done on a gen 5 Glock I'm setting up for CO http://jagerwerks.com/down-range/ but I'm unclear as to if the small recesses (where the JW logo is) on the sides would make that illegal as "a cut to specifically or significantly lighten the slide" On one hand, no it doesn't add a competitive advantage, and multiple high level shooters including Ashley Rheurark shot at nationals with TTI glocks that have similar cuts, which would seem illegal in the rules, but on the other hand I could see a legalist bumping me to open because of it. If you could write back something I could use in case I run into any trouble that would be appreciated. Thanks and have a great day. Troy Mcmanus: It's not a hole, and per D7, 21.2b, it's allowed. Troy Keep your phone with this email on it at matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, Sarge said: Keep your phone with this email on it at matches. Needs to be on the approved cell phone list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 minute ago, IHAVEGAS said: Needs to be on the approved cell phone list. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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