cas Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Why is it that some people can't conceive of the possibility there are shooters that look at the whole concept of reloading during a stage as an added dimension of the game... pretty narrow minded if you ask me. Possibly they just don't have the skill to do it. Laws aside, I have no interest in Limited for just that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Why is it that some people can't conceive of the possibility there are shooters that look at the whole concept of reloading during a stage as an added dimension of the game... pretty narrow minded if you ask me. Possibly they just don't have the skill to do it. Laws aside, I have no interest in Limited for just that reason. lol, i'm just a cheap bastard. You can be competive in L10 for little money and with a gun that is as reliable as a rock. In limited you start throwing money at mag capacity and spend time and money tweaking and fixing stuff instead of learning how to shoot better. Now I can certainly see why the technical wrenching aspects of limited and open appeal to some people, they just don't currently appeal to me. You don't see alot of posts from single-stack or L10 shooters trying to get their guns to behave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonm1 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Limited 10 was a great place to start learning the game with my first pistol, a SIG P220 in 45 ACP. This is a very nice weapon with no other division to attempt to be competitive and a lot of P220's have been manufactured in the last 30 years. There are many other weapons that make major power factor that can't compete with 2011's and glock's magazine capacity for two 8 round arrays so until they loosen up single stack restrictions there will be a place for L 10. Production, Single Stack, and Limited does not encourage the use of all guns in circulation and its good that USPSA is trying to do so now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankie Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 like someone said earlier like or don't like. I don't need or want anyone telling me that I'm hiding out. Maybe I'm the lucky one in that I own guns for every division, and I play the game in all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 ^ lol When I started, I started in L-10 with a P220 because it was the only gun I had that was suited for the game. Then I went Revolver, bought an actual Limited-10 "race gun"', Single Stack and Production. I like reloading. ^^ I don't know why needing 5-6 mags would be cheaper than needing 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarmyaviator Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) There was a very good article a few years ago that made the case for renaming L10 to Production Major. Made good sense for a name change. Edited August 28, 2013 by retarmyaviator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frag316 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Except you can't shoot a single action (1911) in Production, unless they change the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarmyaviator Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Except you can't shoot a single action (1911) in Production, unless they change the rules. Oh, well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarmyaviator Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Link to the article I referenced earlier. http://www.gunnuts.net/2010/05/10/reinventing-limited-10/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 OK... I pulled about 10 posts out of this thread that were just some goofy back and forth. I'll re-open it now. Post well. -Admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarmyaviator Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Thanks OK... I pulled about 10 posts out of this thread that were just some goofy back and forth. I'll re-open it now. Post well. -Admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frag316 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Ehh, I just read the article. I get it, but it's just window dressing. If I were him, I'd have a talk with USPSA about rolling out a marketing campaign campaign to talk about Lim-10 the way Caleb did in the article. Rebranding it or making it a "Super Production" division (what a crappy name) is unnecessary. I think it's the kernel of a really good idea. Why not write an article for Front Sight? Get USPSA to go to a big sponsored shooter who doesn't shoot Open and have them shoot the L10 Nationals the way Caleb described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlgentlegiant Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 I went with Lim 10 as a starting point to keep initial expenses down at the start and add as I could afford them I had a Glock 35 and 6 mags initially that I already owned. I have added more mags and extended basepads so I may make the switch to limited soon now that I am geared up. I viewed it as a good way to get started shooting major pf. Along the way I am finding I am also learning more about stage breakdown and reloads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Call it the Browning High Power, Tactical and Socialist State Division. =p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtychemist Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Except you can't shoot a single action (1911) in Production, unless they change the rules. Oh, well. Except you can't shoot a single action (1911) in Production, unless they change the rules. Oh, well. Better tell everyone who shoots right now with a 1911 and 10 round magazine they need to buy a new gun to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHLChris Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I'm running a Glock35 with 15-round stock mags. I decided to stay away from Production for the major scoring. I decided on L10 because I can't yet afford a magwell and magazine extensions. 4-5 Dawsons or Arredondos and an ICE Gen4 magwell, and one can easily spend $250-300. I'd be noncompetitive in Limited with my "small" mags. I am surprised, though, that my range only has 5-7 L10 shooters, but it has 15-20 Limited shooters. If I had $300, I might jump into Limited, but practicing mag changes is a big part of my dry fire practice. In Limited, you really only have like one mag change in a stage, sometimes none. I often get to my 4th mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplesinglestack Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I am currently shooting L10, because I got a slot for Natls L10/Open and I normally shoot single stack so it was easy to buy the 10 rd mags, and be competitive. We need the division for a few reasons: new shooters with single action type guns that max capacity at 9/14 rounds just are not competitive in limited. and if they are new shooters shooting .40, or .45 they are likely shooting major PF, and should be given the advantage of the points difference.rather than forced to shoot minor in production division, also the gear, we have lots of new shooters show up with a holster a mag pouch and use front and rear pockets for extra mags, this is not legal in production. 6" barrel single stacks? bull barrel single stacks? browning HP? CZ ? sig 220 division would make for a much larger Membership card at the end of the day there is usually ten times as many shooters in L10 division than Revolver, and we still love that division (myself included) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noximus03 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I shoot it because I like it, and I find it to be a nice change of pace. Need there be another reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Mostly because I rejoined after a 16yr layoff and my Limited classification transferred to a L10 classification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Why shoot L-10? Why not? It is fun, and it is challenging. Many of us got our classifications and used to win in Limited (in our class) shooting a Single Stack with 10 round mags, using a leather holster and mag pouches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frag316 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Except you can't shoot a single action (1911) in Production, unless they change the rules. Oh, well. Except you can't shoot a single action (1911) in Production, unless they change the rules. Oh, well. Better tell everyone who shoots right now with a 1911 and 10 round magazine they need to buy a new gun to shoot. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskinsler83 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I shoot it because I like it, and I find it to be a nice change of pace. Need there be another reason? AMEN!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Bell Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) I started shooting USPSA last year in Limited major using a glock 35 and a serpa holster. This year in January, I got some new gear to help finally get out of "D" class into a upper "C". Me, Serpa holster and classifier don't mix to well.... This summer (2 matches) I started shooting limited 10 to get classified in another division (using the same set up) before starting to shoot production minor with one of my 9mm glocks. I figure the transition from Limited to production would be a lot easier doing it this way. Right now I'm a upper "C" in Limited. After two L10 matches I have one high "C" and a "B" classifier. once I get classified, I'll start shooting Production. Don't know if I'll ever shoot revolver or not but Id like to be at least a "C" or better in every class. But I'm starting to get the 3gun fun bug.... so I might have to spend more time and money on reloading instead..... Edited September 5, 2013 by Mike Bell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GmanCdp Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Why is it that some people can't conceive of the possibility there are shooters that look at the whole concept of reloading during a stage as an added dimension of the game... pretty narrow minded if you ask me. Possibly they just don't have the skill to do it. And that's why I shoot production. For the money of a tricked out limited gun you can buy 2 good production guns. OR 5... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarmyaviator Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I had been shooting a M&P Pro 9mm in Production and bought a M&P 45 mainly just to have but started using it in a local steel match after being teased about the whimpy 9mm. Later on a whim shot it in a L10 match and found out I shot it better than the 9mm and been shooting L10 with it regularly ever since. So to answer the original question, why shoot L10? As others have said, I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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