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I shot GA State yesterday and this load did well over the chrono coming in with a 169.9 PF out of a CK Arms 5.4" 2011 (I believe it is a KKM barrel). mixed headstamp range brass CCI primer BBI 180gr coated bullet 4.6gr of N320 Average of 3 fired shots was 944fps which comes to 169.9 PF. This was a boxed chrono.

Any experience or thoughts on the Burris red dot sights for Tac Irons? I hear it is fairly new and I know Burris usually makes decent stuff. I do not have the cash to drop on an Eotech or Aimpoint due to an upcoming wedding and a new limited gun for USPSA. Most of my shots for local matches will be under 100yds.

To the one handed question there are two ways to make the one-handed engagement happen per the rules: 1. Create a situation like holding a rope, bucket or another prop in one hand for the course of the stage or at a particular point in the stage "Briefcase must be carried in the weak hand at or below waist level during the course of fire while engaging targets" 2. It is allowable to specify strong or weak hand only on a medium course of fire (20 shots or less) for the final 6 shots. The challenge is making the last 6 (5 in the case of the star) without restricting freestyle engagement of the stage. At GA state they did this on one stage with 6 poppers and placed them behind a barrier, furthest targets from the start line and with some distance between the poppers and any other targets. It did not specify that the poppers had to be the last targets engaged, just made it to be the least time costly but shooters still had a choice. I would say practice at 15-20 yards but it will depend on matches in your area or matches you plan to shoot. Minimum distance is 23' to steel but there has to be a movement barrier, 26' minimum with just a fault line.

KKM Barrel 1.140 OAL any brass but Winchester 180 Bayou 4.45gr N320 SP or SPM primer Multiple match chronos - 172pf

What do you do if a shooter's family member(non shooting) is downrange during scoring when the shooter has not designated that person as their delegate prior to the course of fire?

I have had to DQ someone who never even got to fire a shot. The shooter's gun dropped out of their holster after the buzzer went off on their first stage. It happens. At least the OP got to shoot some of the match. I have DQ'd on the first stage of a shotgun match after I slipped in the mud when I was trying to stand up to clear my gun. If you want to take a break take a break. I have had to cut back on my own shooting and except for the match I run GA State is the first big outdoor match I have shot in over 6 months. All you can do is learn from the DQ and not make the same mistake again.

See everyone at the range. I cannot help with setup this year but I am shooting Thursday and working Friday and Saturday. The match is shaping up to be one of the best ever. Don't forget to bring your rain gear as it looks like a good chance of rain Thurs and Fri.

DK is my choice. Easy to adjust and easy to install.

I am going to toss an oar in here because Phil just posted something on the FaceBook Area 6 page that I felt was dismissive, belittling and a move to ignore the larger issue being discussed here. https://www.facebook.com/groups/31472669314/ In the comments instead of Phil providing an answer to the question of transparency and reporting on what is going on he picked out one issue and his response was not professional or informative. As a MD who is trying very hard to keep a small club running I am getting very frustrated with decisions made essentially in secret with little to no capability for member comment until after the fact. If Phil and the area directors are serious about being transparent and establishing a real pattern for growth: 1) A minimum of 15 days before a scheduled BoD meeting post an agenda including all items to be voted on and at least a few sentences of explanation about each 2) Post FULL meeting minutes including topics discussed, informative summary of the discussion and full records 3) Record and make public a digital copy of the BoD teleconferences. Every teleconference package I am aware of now has the capability to record and post a digital recording 4) Stop treating the membership like mushrooms or serfs If there is nothing to hide then why are some of the BoD members so reluctant to have sessions recorded either in full or at least with better notes? Why is the BoD so reluctant to post an agenda and give time for member comment on issues and decisions? It is time for something to change!

There is also North Atlanta Action Shooters. Indoor match at Bullseye in Cumming every Sunday night 6-9pm. GPSL is at Ranges, Guns and Safes in Norcross every Tuesday night 6-9pm.

Same weekend as the Master's golf tourney so the patrol folks were out in that part of the state. Just bad luck.

So I ran a stage at Area 6 on Friday. The vast majority of shooters worked their butts off to help reset an all steel stage, it was thrown out do to equipment breakage sadly. I still had some shooters, some of them were match sponsors, who thought they were too important to help reset. I now have a few companies I will not give my business to due to this. I had a couple just looked at me when I asked them to at least help paint steel. I can understand if someone has a disability or other reason but when a young person who is in good shape just refuses it makes me wonder about them and their overall sportsmanship. Especially on a day where that is mainly for match staff to shoot everyone needs to help due to limited staff resources. Nobody is too special or important to help out in some way. Come on, a can of spray paint is not that heavy.

I ran an all steel stage at Area 6, well before it got thrown out due to equipment breakage, and I was really impressed with all the shooters who worked their butts off to help reset it. I ran several pro shooters through that stage, and another stage after 4 went down, and all the pros were some of the first downrange to help reset. One even was dragging other squad members out to help. Another went to reset the poppers he just shot as soon as he checked his paper targets. The vast majority of shooters were very helpful and it made the lives of the RO crew much easier. A big thank you to all those who helped!

I made a deal with my mail carrier to just leave any heavy boxes by the mailbox (I live on a pretty steep hill) and have had zero problems here. Several deliveries of brass and bullets (hopefully another soon if Donnie can get caught up) no issues. I think the OP is having a problem with a local office. I wonder if it is one of the ones slated to be closed down?

Rustoleum flat or matte! I wish the big matches would buy better paint. Rustoleum gives better coverage with less spray time, holds up better and dries faster. The cans are larger too.

I was wondering how you indexed the plates on the star using those clamps. Nice design. I was worried about the clamps holding the plates of someone really got the rack spinning or about them popping with hits on the arm. I worked the steel stage at Area 6 (was stage 4 and had to be thrown out). The star and plate rack used what I think were screen door spring hinges that were not up to the task of handling that many shooters. We also had issues of hits near the plate but on the bar causing the hinge to pop (one person had 3 reshoots due to that). Yours looks like a good design!

I would advise against any of the double spring aftermarket guide rod setups. I had one come apart on me on its second trip to the range. If you are going to replace the guide rod and spring I suggest either a Zev (Glockworx) or Jager full length SS rod, an adapter if needed and a variety of ISMI springs from 11-15lbs. Trust me, any sort of plugs, screws or the like will come apart on you at just the wrong time.

All Bayou for me now. I had some trouble with Berry's tumbling and leaving plating the the barrel of my Glock (both with my reloads and with Atlanta Arms loads). Bayou has been very reliable, great to deal with, harder bullet than the plated bullets and Donnie is great to deal with.

I have nothing against revolver shooters, nothing at all. We have one guy show shoots revolvers who comes to my matches occasionally. More are welcome and always will be. It is just for me and the matches I run and shoot at 99.9% of the time there are no revolver shooters. My posts and emails were IN NO WAY anything against revolver shooters. I just wanted another look at the decision to pull the classifiers and for the BOD to try and find a better way then just pulling almost all the classifiers I can fit in my bay.

Great questions and based on a couple emails I have seen from people this might be something being discussed. As I understand it the whole issue was that the 8 shot revo gave a significant advantage on some stages. Take CM 03-08 "Madness" where you have 7 targets and the course of fire is one shot per target, mandatory reload and 1 shot per target (Going from spotty memory here). For 6 shot revo this would mean 2 reloads vs. 1 reload for 8 shot. For any other division this is 1 reload so not a factor. I do agree that the best course would be to specify that all current classifiers for revo go with 6 shot mandatory and any new classifiers be adjusted accordingly. This is just me with my take on things. In general with the way I see the decision having been made is that indoor ranges and clubs were not taken into account by the BOD. I would love to see a breakdown of indoor vs. outdoor ranges in the club counts. Keeping in mind that most classifiers come from national stages (all outdoors) I think that not much thought is given to how a given stage might be adapted to or fit into an indoor setting. My gut feeling is that there are a lot of clubs that shoot indoors and just hoping more thought is put into that.

A discussion of the classifier system is a whole other topic and I would like to keep it that way if we can as far as this thread goes at least.

RadarTech and Graham are dead on with their posts. I have another challenge at my range and that is all my prop storage is in an attic area above the range firing line that we can only access via a ladder. This places a further limit on the props I can have. For instance I have enough room to run "Quickie Mart" but I have no way I could store the prop for it. We also run into issues of having to have frag boxes for our steel and due to size and weight limitations it means I cannot easily use full size poppers. I have to make due with the resources I have while also trying to keep the club in the black and hopefully add a new prop or two. When I have our monthly classifier night match with fewer people than our weekly fun/practice shoots it tells me that many are just tired of the classifiers we can run. When the 13 series came out we got excited because there were 5 new stages we could run with our props and in our bay, a 25% increase to our available classifier count (roughly). I had more people showing up on classifier night because we had something new. I even ran a special 2 classifier match and had a really good turnout. I hope the BOD will take these factors into account and keep them in mind going forward.

That is all good if they do it in a timely manner. If you look at the past release schedule for classifiers there is a 4-6 year gap between releases.

@sperman - The way I read the email was "do not use - official changes to follow". With all the changes happening in electronic scoring, a big website change coming and all the other stuff that was in the membership report I expect they will not make changes to the current website or EZWS but will in the new systems. I would also bet that those classifiers are being flagged on the backend processing.

I would like to put this out there and will follow it up with emails to Phil and others. I would like to respectfully request that the recently pulled classifiers be reinstated for clubs and matches with no revolver shooters. I run a club that shoots at an indoor range year round. We have a bay of limited size, decent size but limited, and all shots must go into the trap/backstop downrange. There are a couple more clubs locally with the same issues. I do understand why the classifiers were pulled but in the case of my club and 2 others locally this results in the majority of the classifiers we can run in our bays being taken out of circulation. I think I am down to maybe 5 classifiers I can run right now and only 2 of them have not been run by our club or another local club recently (we have many of the same shooters so we try to work together and stagger classifiers). If classifiers were coming out regularly and I knew we would have a new batch, say in 6 months, this would be a non-issue. When we are looking at new classifiers only coming out every 4-6 years and out of those maybe having 4 we can use indoors then this creates a problem and a severe limitation on keeping the club running and shooters interested. Lets be honest here, while El Prez is a good drill and a classic nobody really likes shooting it as a classifier every 4 months and it has been shot to death. I do understand and agree with the decision from the national level to pull the classifiers but I also believe that the removal should only apply to the affected division. If these classifiers cannot be reinstated then I would request that NROI and the board take special measures to get some new or updated classifiers into the system ASAP and not another 4 years. Sincerely, Chris Briggs President GA22 - North Atlanta Action Shooters