fxdc Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 My 3n38 load has dot movement pretty straight up and down.... and with a good grip I can keep the dot form center of the C- more to about 80% of the remaining window. It is within the glass , but what is your view on this subject? Thanks for any help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCTaylor Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Forget flat, get consistent and repeatable. If the load is accurate, makes pf, and is reliable. Go shoot. Period. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 This ^^^^^. With an open gun I no longer own, I tried for flat without using barrel ports. At 188PF it shot flat. I mean dead flat. However, it was horribly noisy and extremely violent. I feared for the longevity of the gun, so I never tried that experiment again. My main gun runs best at 172-173PF with a 9 lb. recoil spring. I don't know if the dot leaves the glass or not. I do know that with the proper grip, the dot returns immediately. That's what I'm looking for. Now if I could just learn to do that with my weak hand, I'd be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, zzt said: if I could just learn to do that with my weak hand, I'd be happy. Ain't that the truth! But weak hand shooting sure is a great way to work on grip strength. OP: If the dot returns from where it came, I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxdc Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 Zzt Thanks guess I've read enuff that without popple holes flat is near impossible. I was hoping for near flat without them. Keep thoughts coming guys! I m loading 8.8 of 3n38 with a 124gr PD JHP at 1.175oal PF is 173 with a 13lb spring..maybe a 9.0 or 9.2 and a 12lb or an 11lb spring will be better. This is the gun I am using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadyscott999 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I truly flat gun is really hard to shoot fast. We have had designs that had dot dip the combinations were so efficient. You want consistent and repeatable dot movement. As long as it does the same thing every time ( within reason) you can shoot the gun faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 From what I've read, you will get much better dot movement in a steel gun. I shoot a STI TruBor, but have never fired a Major plastic gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDL Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 you can try 115 RN and more powder to work the comp at the same power factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 5 hours ago, SCTaylor said: Forget flat, get consistent and repeatable. If the load is accurate, makes pf, and is reliable. Go shoot. Period. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Shoot then repeat That's the secret sauce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Jack, one of the guys I occasionally shoot with shot for the Leupold team. We ran a modified M&P 5" with a custom comp, brass magwell and a tungsten guide rod. In his hands the gun did not move. It was amazing to watch. BTW, he did shoot quickly. He is now on the Ruger team, so it will be interesting to see what he ends up shooting. BTW, he shot 124gr bullets over HS-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxdc Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 I did work with the same PD in a 115 . But gonna stick with 124. More gas with the 115 I get that. Maybe chasing a unicorn LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxdc Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 Zzt I will change out my aluminum magwell for a Taylor freelance black brass when they get back in stock. Some people can make anything look flat. Returning back to the game and pushing super senior..... I NEEDS ALL THE HELP I CAN GET! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kozy Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 i kinda have a theory but in the end it doesnt mean crap if you watch the top guys run. Flat shooting gun seem more violent in the hand, soft shooting guns seem to have more flip/dot movement. For me, i want flat shooting because if I see the dot pulling off or making a squirrely move as I pull the trigger, hit that shit again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 7:13 AM, SCTaylor said: Forget flat, get consistent and repeatable. If the load is accurate, makes pf, and is reliable. Go shoot. Period. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Exactly this!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loudgp Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I'm still learning, just waiting for an open gun that runs.... Lmao hopefully soon "Mr akai" will have a badass one in my hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncman Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Personally I think it is a timing and a slide return to battery relationship. Every slo mo video I take shows the muzzle rise when the slide hits the rear position. Bullet is done gone and gas is over. Then how the gun reacts to the return is the next hit. Too much spring and I get a dip and a dot wiggle to settle it out. In my opinion, the comp bleeds off the gas to slow the slide speed, then we lighten the slide to take out some of the force to the hit at both ends of the travel. We then respring it to get some of the speed back, but now we can use a lighter spring since we do not have the mass. Force is mass times acceleration. Take an assortment of springs to the range and see what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxdc Posted March 24, 2018 Author Share Posted March 24, 2018 Broncman That I will do , had a 13 in it when testing loads. Found 8.8 of 3n 38 was pretty nice... Wil try a 12 and an 11lb spring. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 7:13 AM, SCTaylor said: Forget flat, get consistent and repeatable. If the load is accurate, makes pf, and is reliable. Go shoot. Period. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Another vote for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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