Storm Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Personally, I think a 5 day, 24 stage "run what ya brung" match is a good deal. The big dogs will shoot in whatever division they shoot best. If the talent pool is diluted by having a multiple division match, so be it. It's just like the World Shoot. One of the nice benefits is you can shoot with your friends. I prefer to shoot Open, most of my friends shoot Limited or L10. With last years format, that had us spread across 3 different matches. I'll be there shooting Open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Bill - If I can get a slot, Limited or Revo - still deciding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 I'm excited and love the single match format. The World Shoot, Area matches, etc. are single pistol matches and folks don't complain there. If you win a regional championship (Area match) you are the best on that weekend, that year in that region. With a single match Nationals, whomever wins will be the best that year in that division. Period. Pick a division. Whether it's one that you are dedicating yourself to that year one one that you feel you have the best chance of winning, whatever. Pick a gun and run what you brung. If you run and win, you've done your best that week. If you shoot poorly did it really matter if the match is diluted? There will GM's in every division and I'm sure that you can measure your performance relative to them if that's your flavor. If you shoot a good match, you know that you did, and that's what should matter. Your performance's relationship to the Top 16 is secondary. As for the schedule, registration is just that registration. Travel on Sunday, show up Sunday afternoon and register. Shoot-offs and prize table are usually done fairly early so you can leave Saturday afternoon. If it's a big deal, leave on Saturday morning and you'll be out 5 days during the traditional work week. I realize that there are those that have alternative work schedules, but I think we can agree that the majority has Saturday and Sunday off, and I know I'd rather use a vacation day shooting than traveling. Fly in Sunday, leave Saturday afternoon (and that's coming from California and landing in St. Louis and driving). Uncle Sam willing, I'm there...don't know which division, but it's nice to have the tough choice. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck D Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Am I safe in assuming that all those concerned about the "diluted talent pool" will refuse any awards or accolades for a good finish because all the GM's weren't represented in their division of choice? Bob H. has made some excellent points...especially in regards to L10 and Production Division. A single pistol Nationals makes excellent financial sense...re-expand the program when a way to "break even" can be found. I hope all those that choose to attend do so...and enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4045 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 I did not care much for the format at first glance. But the wife is the one that actually thinks it would work out. I will mull it over the next couple of weeks. I will check around and see who is going from south tx and maybe work out a partner for the trip. I'll have to decide between limited and production. I may have to put off building a new open gun for a while. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcount Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Some questions come to mind. How many slots will there be in total? How many slots will be distributed through the first 3 parts of the slot distribution policy? (X # won at 2003 Nationals, Y # won at 2003 Area Championships, Z # won at "the first 8 non-Area major tournaments of the calander year".) Now, how many will be available through Section and club distribution? How many will be left over and available for procurement via the "Nationals Slot Waiting List"? How many people will kick themselves in the butt for not meeting their Section or club eligibility requirements? (Join a club, work matches, etc.) This could get interesting. A slot to the 2004 Nationals might just have some new found value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpeters8445 Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 This is my 2nd year of USPSA and I have not attended a National handgunl event yet, but I would like to for 2004. My question is, How does an average Joe like me, "68% B class open division shooter," get a slot for the nationals? And, When does the list usally come out to confirm if you got a slot or not? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I intend to go, shoot Limited-10 with a Kimber and RO. I expect it to be damn hot except during the thunderstorm that knocks down half the paper targets. Then it will be hot and steamy and muddy. To quote an old Klingon friend of mine, "It will be glorious!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 The "how many slots" question.... ah yes. Well, it all depends on how many people per squad. Given 24 stages plus chrono = 25 stages 2 shifts of shooters per day So, 25x2x16 per squad = 800 slots 25x2x10 per squad = 500 slots I had originally figured 16 as the upper limit. Chatted with a CRO friend and he puts the upper limit at 10 and after listening to his reasoning I think that the 10 limit is probably a lot closer to reality. Basically: 5 minutes per shooter x 10 shooters = 50 minutes per stage with 10 minutes travel time, walkthru, etc. That makes 10 hours of shooting for two shifts of shooters. Meaning this will be more like a 12 hour day of shooting. I think the biggest hurdle for this match will be staffing. Basically, USPSA needs every entry they can get for this match. They may not actually announce how many slots there are. They may just take entries and have some theoretical upper limit in mind just hoping they get there. Initially I was doing the negative nelly on this but now I am starting to think more seriously about it. Besides, the wife's family is in St. Louis so I could kill two birds with one stone. I take 2 weeks off right at that time of the year anyway. Hmmmm..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 dpeters8445, Be watching the USPSA page. They will likely put up an annoucement for a waiting list. Last year it started around Jan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouSig Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 If I can get a slot I'll be there shooting Limited 10. The rest of you had better watch out, last year was just a warning .... I plan on my ammo making major and I might even break the top 100! Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtreme40 Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Glad to see M. Voight made a wise decision, we should all get together and back him and our organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h4444 Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I'm another shooter that won't be able to go and I so wanted to shoot a nationals this year...... H4444 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmshtr Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I'll be there. I would've loved to have shot Open next year, but it looks like that won't happen. I guess Rob will just have to beat me up in Limited again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I don't think he beat you up. I think you beat you up. I have that last stage on tape. Get him in 04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling White Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Phil, I caught rumor that the gm's will be drawing straws on what to shoot the day before the match begins! Keep that open gun warm....you may draw a short straw!! JK...we know that wouldn't happen. sw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Larry Cazes Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 I am relatively new to the sport so I don't know all of the background that has led up to this decison but......Why must the Nationals be profitable?! We pay yearly dues and fees for classifiers throughout the year that should cover this event. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Exactly, Larry! It's like a business that's profitable 51 weeks of the year... then they have their company picnic or holiday party and--gasp--it didn't even break even. Get a grip. It's not like it's going to take down the rest of the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 The last Nationals (limited/open) lost somewhere in the neighborhood of $40,000.00. I have no idea about the 3Gun and Factory. I think thats a bit more than the company picnic Erik. I don't think that anyone is looking for the Nationals to make a profit, but there is a lot the organization could do with that $40K that isn't going to get done now. The word that I got on the date was that they looked back over the last ten years and statistically this has been some of the best weather. Of course that last time I was there was 2001 and I seem to remember tornado warnings and the the match blowing/floating away before the Open. Lets hope that was the statistical anomaly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1b Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 That means another missed Nationals for me. I've got a caribou hunt slated for AK around that time. If its a choice - then there is no competition. I don't have many good hunting years left with my father. That sucks - looks like I'll have to entertain the IDPA nats. JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 $40,000...I have a hard time believing that. I should be there shooting Production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Is there any chance the costs of running each match are exceeding what is actually necessary to run the same level of match? How many shooters would have to attend to break even given last year's costs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Count me in in Production ---- I need to see if I can shoot better without the "Oh my God, I'm at the Nationals" theme running through my head..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue edge Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 LouSig, waring noted!!! GO BOY GO !!!!!!!!!!! I hope to be there with you again. I hope to try open this time. blue edge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k tyler Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 There is some good and some bad in this format. But I like it I agree with many of the other, the decision has been made. Live with it and support your sport. I hope to be there and as always "Shooting a single stack till its red hot". God I love this sport. KTyler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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