little_kahuna Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I'm not really planning on it, but i'm curious. After scanning the rule book, i don't think there's anything that says i can't shoot in flip flops, socks, barefoot, slippers, etc? is that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasOPM Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I know that the guy that won overall in the 2008 American Handgunner match shot the final match while wearing flip-flops. Lord knows it isn't an unfair advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g34 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 There's a local Master class shooter around here that regularly shoots in crocs. Once I saw him shooting barefoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little_kahuna Posted June 23, 2009 Author Share Posted June 23, 2009 Haha, if that's true, then i'm really thinking about working on my Hobbit feet, and shooting barefoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 i shoot in tevas all summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingchef Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 true enough, but could the RM go with a loose enforcement of 5.3.1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little_kahuna Posted June 23, 2009 Author Share Posted June 23, 2009 true enough, but could the RM go with a loose enforcement of 5.3.1? Interesting.i supposed he could, especially if your feet were particularly de-ttractive, or smelly lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I've shot a couple of matches in sandals...no problems. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Jones Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 To me (and I speak for no one else), it's a potential safety issue. Even if the range surface is the equivalent of a putting green, there will be a lot a spent grass on the ground. What if one is standing open-end up and is stepped on during a run. I'm not keen on the possibility of it causing a fall, loss of gun control..... use your imagination. If something like that were to happen, resulting in a DQ or perhaps an injury, I would think the RM might feel some remorse since he is the final judge (see Rule 7.1.6) [emphasis on the words range safety]. Most sports have safety equipment rules. We have rules which require you to wear safety equipment (eyes and ears). The wearing of adequate footwear (adequate for the conditions) is not an unlikely consideration. The RM has the authority to require it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwx40x40 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Some ranges actually have ruled against barefeet. As I know good fella who regularly goes barefoot. But , some ranges have asked that he put something on his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Lord Gomer Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 If it's the guy I'm thinking of, his feet are tougher than my shoes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddjob Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Speaking of dress & slight drift here. I shot a major match where I was told I can't use a digital camo pattern holster. Fair enough.....I used my standard Blade tech. No big deal.........Then I see a guy shooting wearing a camo pattern kilt! My squad mates just laughed at me.........it was a nice match though....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el pres Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) Wheres that video of Chris Tilley shooting in flip flops ?? Ahh, here it is !! Tilley at Taran's house ... http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...illey+flip+flop Edited June 23, 2009 by P.Pres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mactiger Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 true enough, but could the RM go with a loose enforcement of 5.3.1? No. Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 To me (and I speak for no one else), it's a potential safety issue.Even if the range surface is the equivalent of a putting green, there will be a lot a spent grass on the ground. What if one is standing open-end up and is stepped on during a run. I'm not keen on the possibility of it causing a fall, loss of gun control..... use your imagination. If something like that were to happen, resulting in a DQ or perhaps an injury, I would think the RM might feel some remorse since he is the final judge (see Rule 7.1.6) [emphasis on the words range safety]. So...basically, under the guise of "range safety"...the RM has unlimited authority? Most sports have safety equipment rules. We have rules which require you to wear safety equipment (eyes and ears). The wearing of adequate footwear (adequate for the conditions) is not an unlikely consideration.The RM has the authority to require it. How about...if it's important enough to be required for safety, we spell it out like we do for eyes and ears ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 The only restriction I've ever encountered on footwear was imposed by the host range. A certain competitor who is known as "The Bare-Foot Boy" was/is required to wear some sort of shoe when working as an RO, but was allowed to shoot the stages barefoot. Despite the somewhat imaginative rationale George proposed, I don't see anything in the rulebook that allows dictating footwear. I second the idea that if it's that important it needs to be clearly defined in the rulebook. Otherwise, imposing such restrictions seems extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 How about...if it's important enough to be required for safety, we spell it out like we do for eyes and ears ??? 'Cause you have faith in our ability to proactively identify ALL potential safety issues, and are comfortable with removing some decision making flexibility on the part of the RM? I think that eyes and ears come up at every match for someone --- I'm always warning either a competitor or a spectator...... Footwear has never come up for me --- I'm pretty comfortable requiring it though, either in my role as RM, or in my role as club member with fiduciary responsibility to the other ~2,000 members of my range..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonT Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I would have no problem with slippahs or barefeet. And no rules against it but when I look at the bottom of my cleats they have copper jackets, etc., from splatter embedded in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I say if you want to shoot barefoot, or in flip-flops go right ahead. Just be careful I don't accidently step on your foot with my 13ee cleats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Jones Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Despite the somewhat imaginative rationale George proposed, I don't see anything in the rulebook that allows dictating footwear. I second the idea that if it's that important it needs to be clearly defined in the rulebook. Otherwise, imposing such restrictions seems extreme. And I guess that's where I'm coming from. I think it deserves to be included - because of all the potential injury issues, such as spent brass and pieces of jacket material, etc. Not only might it result in injury, it would also affect the match when the injury has to be dealt with. Just because it is not in the rulebook at this time does not mean the RM is restricted from using his judgment. We have a number of issues where judgment is required and when it comes to safety we have always given them priority. I'm a firm believer in adhering to the rulebook and not making up rules on the fly. This is not something which imposes scoring penalties on the shooter. It's a preventive issue. If the range conditions are such that a safety problem is possible/likely, I don't think it's correct to take a hard "it's not in the book" approach. We have a responsibility as ROs, CROs and MD or RM to deal with these things thoughtfully. BTW, I don't think you will see Chris T. shooting a match in flip-flops. I suspect that he knows he would not be able to perform at his best. Thankfully, barefooted shooters are a rare sight. Most shooters wear adequate footwear. Those very few who do not, well...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) To me (and I speak for no one else), it's a potential safety issue.Even if the range surface is the equivalent of a putting green, there will be a lot a spent grass on the ground. What if one is standing open-end up and is stepped on during a run. I'm not keen on the possibility of it causing a fall, loss of gun control..... use your imagination. If something like that were to happen, resulting in a DQ or perhaps an injury, I would think the RM might feel some remorse since he is the final judge (see Rule 7.1.6) [emphasis on the words range safety]. Most sports have safety equipment rules. We have rules which require you to wear safety equipment (eyes and ears). The wearing of adequate footwear (adequate for the conditions) is not an unlikely consideration. The RM has the authority to require it. Hey George, is that spent grass called a "roach"? Gary Edited June 24, 2009 by Gary Stevens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bond Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 To me (and I speak for no one else), it's a potential safety issue.Even if the range surface is the equivalent of a putting green, there will be a lot a spent grass on the ground. What if one is standing open-end up and is stepped on during a run. I'm not keen on the possibility of it causing a fall, loss of gun control..... use your imagination. If something like that were to happen, resulting in a DQ or perhaps an injury, I would think the RM might feel some remorse since he is the final judge (see Rule 7.1.6) [emphasis on the words range safety]. Most sports have safety equipment rules. We have rules which require you to wear safety equipment (eyes and ears). The wearing of adequate footwear (adequate for the conditions) is not an unlikely consideration. The RM has the authority to require it. Hey George, is that spent grass called a "roach"? Gary George I caught the slip as well and was amazed this crowd let you get by with it as long as they did before Gary pointed it out. Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Jones Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 George I caught the slip as well and was amazed this crowd let you get by with it as long as they did before Gary pointed it out. Charles I think I was in the midst of a flashback when I wrote that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) true enough, but could the RM go with a loose enforcement of 5.3.1? I don't see how as it covers garments and footwear is not in the garment category. Edit Oops Troy already answered. Edited June 24, 2009 by LPatterson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Just asking if long pants/sleeve shirts, helmets and knee/elbow pads will be next to be "required" under the guise of safety. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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