JD40 Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 I was thinking of putting a slide racker on my new limited gun and just wanted to get some info from you guys on why I should not put this feature on the pistol. The main function would be to make the pistol easier to pick up during stages that do not require drawing of the pistol. Please give me your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmedley Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 I was thinking of putting a slide racker on my new limited gun and just wanted to get some info from you guys on why I should not put this feature on the pistol. The main function would be to make the pistol easier to pick up during stages that do not require drawing of the pistol. Please give me your thoughts.Since the rules allow it I say go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 (edited) I don't think it's legal in Limited. I stand corrected. Edited January 17, 2008 by CHRIS KEEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtypool40 Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 I know a local B-shooter who has one to help with one handed gun handling / load and unload. He only has the use of one hand and it comes in handy. I know he checked with USPSA HQ before he did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.Reid Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 I know of one guy who has one and really likes it. I guess it's personal preference and I really can't see a downside to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlmiller1 Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Joe, You know I use one on my glocks. The only drawback I've had has been the fact the racker sticks in my side somedays. You being of a much more svelte type shape, you probably won't have that problem. Besides, you'll probably put it in a different spot on your gun than my glocks. Only drawback I could possible think of would be in a tight, close to a barricade on the right side, strong hand only shot you could possibly have it hit the props. I've been using one for two years & never had that happen but I guess it could. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 It has been allowed in Limited for a long time, though its not that common to see. I'd go for it. Good idea w/ a practical purpose. Be prepared for funny looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory_k Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Add one, they are legal. Helps to keep brass out of your hand on unload show clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtrooper Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I have never seen one mounted on a limited gun. How and where are they mounted and anyone have any pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) GeorgeinNePa has one on his limited gun. Got it right after a round detonated on unload and show clear... They look funky, that's for sure. See post #15: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...mp;#entry413779 Edited January 17, 2008 by Matt Cheely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Precision Designs Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 IPSC shooters use slide racker in a very regular basis, along with thumb rests. I have sent a few of my thumb rests over there. In USPSA they have been legal for a while, but many shooters do not consider them to be "manly", and may lead to the development of a "limp wrist" attitude . The only item of concern, which has been dismissed already is if some RO may deem them to be a mean to "artificially prop" your gun while on table starts. Therefore I would not go around saying THAT was the only reason you put them in. LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Other than a table start, I can see no real reason for a slide racker on a Limited gun. Please enlighten me..... I do see a racker adding reciprocating weight being a bad thing if slide weight is a concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD40 Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) Other than a table start, I can see no real reason for a slide racker on a Limited gun. Please enlighten me.....I do see a racker adding reciprocating weight being a bad thing if slide weight is a concern. I don't think that it would add any weight because of the slide material cut out for the dove tail would equal things out. As for reasons to have one: table starts safety of unloading and stirring up discussion at major matches. Reasons not to have one: hitting it on ports or anything that you dont want it to. I am still up in the air about this one because I hate to put a dove tail cut in my slide and then not like it. Oh well, this is what uspsa equipment is all about- trial and error. The cost of a new slide and machine work....350 bucks, the price of an RO asking what the hell is that slide racker doing on your limited gun.........pricless. As of now I am in favor of putting the slide racker on limited pistol as long as it is legal. What would be said if you had a detent so that you could put it (slide racker) on when you needed it? What would you do if you saw a shooter put a slide racker on the gun right before a table stage and then take it off after the stage was over? I would think this might be a legal issue?? Any thougths??? Thanks for your help Joe Edited January 17, 2008 by JD40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 In my mind's eye at least, it would seem to make it easier to show clear for us leftys. I always feel clumsy rotating the gun counterclockwise as I reach over my strong hand to pull the slide back and show clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickB Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Makes a lot more sense than forward cocking serrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Weird The only reason my Open has one is because of the scope. I find Limted guns to be VERY easy to rack on unloaded starts. Open not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirpy Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I don't think you could take it off after the table stage...Can't quote rule but it's there someplace. I'd check with USPSA HQ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 WeirdThe only reason my Open has one is because of the scope. I find Limted guns to be VERY easy to rack on unloaded starts. Open not so much My thoughts exactly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 WeirdThe only reason my Open has one is because of the scope. I find Limted guns to be VERY easy to rack on unloaded starts. Open not so much +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I took a class from Eric Graufel. He said that there is no excuse to not use a racker on an open gun. He was very adamant that it was an important piece of equipment. I doubt it would work in IPSC Standard because of the box rule, but in USPSA Limited it should be good to go. Seems like it would speed up unloaded gun starts, table draws and probably not have too much of a negative effect on handling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipscbob Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I don't like rackers on either open or limited guns. Good rear serrations make these unneccessary and they DO tend to get caught on things like barricades and the sides of ports. Also, KISS, one less set of parts to break in the middle of a stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireant Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I've seen one guy in area 6 that has the racker welded to the bomar. I'd like it just to keep malfunction clearing the same between my open and limited guns. It wouldn't hurt table starts either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestock Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 IPSC shooters use slide racker in a very regular basis, along with thumb rests. I have sent a few of my thumb rests over there.In USPSA they have been legal for a while, but many shooters do not consider them to be "manly", and may lead to the development of a "limp wrist" attitude . The only item of concern, which has been dismissed already is if some RO may deem them to be a mean to "artificially prop" your gun while on table starts. Therefore I would not go around saying THAT was the only reason you put them in. LMAO Slight drift, thumb rests are not legal in Limited. They are connsidered an externl modification to control or reduce recoil, see item 22 unter the Limited Gun appendices in the current rule book, it specifically mentions that Thumb Rests are not legal. I saw a competitor bumped to open a few years ago for having one on a limited gun at a major match. Has there been a ruling from JA or the NROI on Slide Rackers being legal on anything other than open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I took a class from Eric Graufel. He said that there is no excuse to not use a racker on an open gun. He was very adamant that it was an important piece of equipment. I doubt it would work in IPSC Standard because of the box rule, but in USPSA Limited it should be good to go. Seems like it would speed up unloaded gun starts, table draws and probably not have too much of a negative effect on handling. I was going to reply with: "He sells slide rackers, so of course he's for them" But then I thought of him shooting and realized that rackers are definately better/faster for clearing jams. So I take back my first post. Rackers do have an advantage, even in Limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD40 Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 I took a class from Eric Graufel. He said that there is no excuse to not use a racker on an open gun. He was very adamant that it was an important piece of equipment. I doubt it would work in IPSC Standard because of the box rule, but in USPSA Limited it should be good to go. Seems like it would speed up unloaded gun starts, table draws and probably not have too much of a negative effect on handling. I was going to reply with: "He sells slide rackers, so of course he's for them" But then I thought of him shooting and realized that rackers are definately better/faster for clearing jams. So I take back my first post. Rackers do have an advantage, even in Limited. i have seen some rackers that do not look like ape handles and only stick out the side of the gun no more than an inch or so. This seems like a good idea. Mark, is this the kind that you and Kale have? joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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