B_RAD Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 You guys like to squad with better shooters? Some do. Some don't. So, your signing up for a LV2 match and it'll be you and one or two of your buddies from your club. Would you try to get on a squad with better shooters? Or ones ranked higher if you don't know them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seadog_99 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Absolutely. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC702 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 When I don't have any other preference for squad, I always look for higher-classed shooters in my same division. Seeing how a Master-class Limited guy does it isn't going to help me in Single Stack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 31 minutes ago, MAC702 said: When I don't have any other preference for squad, I always look for higher-classed shooters in my same division. Seeing how a Master-class Limited guy does it isn't going to help me in Single Stack. What he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronArcher Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 If I could pick and choose... one with some significantly higher level of shooters... and a couple at my level to give me a realistic push.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted March 27, 2017 Author Share Posted March 27, 2017 Sounds like I'm on the right track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent1k1 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I think at lower classes like C or D, jumping in with a bunch GMs is not productive. The nervousness of missing a damn popper 5 times while much better shooters are watching really sucks. When I was a C, I got to shoot with Max and Blake Miguel. They were totally cool to shoot with, but the extra 20 people watching our squad all day added to the pressure. However a D or C squadded with a high B or A class shooter is great. Just don't be tempted to try to replicate a 25 yard target on the move like the upper guys can and do. Know what will work for you. I'm always happy to share my plans, and will throw the caveat that my plan my not to be the best solution for them and am happy to assist them with a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueridge Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Normally I simply pick a squad and shoot with those that are in it with me. I shoot Revolver Division primarily, and there are few revolver shooters (less than 4 normally). I have gotten used to "tuning out" what the semi-auto shooters are saying and doing, because it has little bearing on what I need to do. I enjoy shooting with a variety of other competitors, and that has more bearing on my squad choice than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHLChris Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I shoot CO, and in my area for whatever reason, we've got a bunch of C-classers and then all the people testing out CO, who are U. Some of them are M open shooters, A Production, whatever. It is hard to follow this pattern of squadding with better shooters. I used to look for good Production shooters because of the same mag limits. I'm a little flummoxed now with full mags in CO. I'm now wondering who to look at: open shooters? Limited? Personally, I think the best shooters to shoot with are the ones who are one step better than you. Enough better to be able to actually reach, and just far enough ahead that they feel YOUR heat. That makes you better, and makes them better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmo Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Watch, listen and learn from people better and more knowledgeable than you has always worked for me in any sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC702 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 10 minutes ago, CHLChris said: ... I'm a little flummoxed now with full mags in CO. I'm now wondering who to look at: open shooters? Limited?... I still think from a SS perspective, so magazine capacity seems the most critical issue. I'm still on my own developing how fast and accurately I shoot, but planning a course of fire for 8-round mags is where the skill is, and that's where I want to see the most ideas from better shooters. Of course, most in my division are shooting Minor now, putting them in the same plan as Production anyway. With Open shooters usually starting with their 170mm magazines, you'll probably want to see where a Limited shooter does his reload. Then again, with them also usually only needing one reload in a field course, planning it usually isn't that hard. I leave a yard sale of Wilson ETM's in my wake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, CHLChris said: I'm a little flummoxed now with full mags in CO. I'm now wondering who to look at: open shooters? Limited? Yes. You have the mag capacity that matches Limited's, and the ability to take longer shots on partial targets due to the dot like the Open guys do. So learn from both. Edited March 28, 2017 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutchman195 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 19 hours ago, MAC702 said: When I don't have any other preference for squad, I always look for higher-classed shooters in my same division. Seeing how a Master-class Limited guy does it isn't going to help me in Single Stack. I think this is spot on. Shooting SS and jumping on with people who are at your level or higher will bring your shooting up a notch. Now sometimes you will see a GM attack a stage entirely different than a C/B class guy and thats ok, but for the most part you can watch what they do and it'll help you out. If you squad with others you are directly competing against it gives you a feel of how your going to turn out (or at least it does for me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Dutchman195 said: Now sometimes you will see a GM attack a stage entirely different than a C/B class guy and thats ok, but for the most part you can watch what they do and it'll help you out The big thing that also helps is to ask the GM (after he has shot and doesn't need to focus) why he did things the way he did. And follow that up with "how would you suggest a B class shoot it?" The upper level guys get really good at playing to their strengths. A guy who is supremely accurate might hang back and shoot something from the back. The next M or GM who is really good at shooting on the move and hosing at warp speed might divide the same stage up entirely differently. What is interesting about that is how frequently their scores will nearly match. Edited March 28, 2017 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashDodson Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Squadding with higher level shooters is almost like getting double for your money. You get to shoot a match while also getting to watch someone better than you do what you just did or do what your about to do. Ask them if its ok for you to film them. Compare it to your video later and really watch the little differences. Like others have said, understand your current skill level and adapt their stage plan to your abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WYgunner Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Within reason, most people will rise to the level of their competition. If you are serious about competing (nothing wrong with just having a good time), I think you need to squad with people that are better than yourself. More importantly than skill alone, you are exposing yourself to people with winning mindsets and the ability to execute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Honestly I like random squads the most. I've been in big boy GM and M squads, but now I enjoy just shooting with my dad, and 2 of my bestfriends and just random people who want to hop on. You meet a lot of new people and its nice to meet random people from around the country. Wyatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I always like shooting with better shooters, friends or just names I know to be good. Get to know them, chat about stage plans, pick their brain a little during pasting, etc. You'll learn a ton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutchman195 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 On 3/29/2017 at 6:13 PM, CrashDodson said: Squadding with higher level shooters is almost like getting double for your money. You get to shoot a match while also getting to watch someone better than you do what you just did or do what your about to do. This^ I feel you can spend less money and get better advice then taking some classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ano Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Supersquad at nationals for me is a good thing, for others not always. I do like do squad with buddies, luckily 1 of them is also a very high level. Pretty much all of the really good shooters are awesome guys, one even took time of his walkthrough time, to say hello as I passed him on a stage at EHC2016, then went on to win the entire match gotto love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeyedme Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 On 3/27/2017 at 6:15 PM, Trent1k1 said: However a D or C squadded with a high B or A class shooter is great. That's why we squad with you Trent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent1k1 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Thanks Dan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortBus Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I always try and squad with suckier shooters. I have mental issues and don't function around a bunch of good shooters who I don't know good. I shoot better and have less anxiety with a bunch of C class shooters. I know, I know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC702 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, ShortBus said: I always try and squad with suckier shooters. I have mental issues and don't function around a bunch of good shooters who I don't know good. I shoot better and have less anxiety with a bunch of C class shooters... That has quite a bit of merit. What few tricks I might get from their runs might be overshadowed by the mistakes I might make trying to do it their way, or the practice time lost even thinking about doing it their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willis103 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I'm still fairly new to USPSA and I spent my first year of shooting majors shooting with friends just so I would be more comfortable. This is my second year and I'm focusing on squadding with the best I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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