seadog_99

Points shot (score on targets minus penalties) and stage points (competitors hit factor percentage of the hhf multiplied by total possible points for the stage) aren't the same. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Most shooters won't paste a target with a penalty before getting a shooter's attention out of courtesy, not because it's a rule violation. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

In my experience the RO will generally announce that they will be scoring in this manner and let shooters know that they need to appoint a proxy to check their targets during the scoring process and before they're pasted. That being said, I NEVER paste a target with a penalty without getting the shooters attention first. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Since it's "based ALMOST exactly on USPSA..." rules I'd say they can do whatever they want. Why don't they just USE the USPSA rulebook and affiliate? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

No. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

When I first began shooting USPSA my home club at the time (which was very active) didn't have much more than the bare minimum, usually in the form of a classifier match in the spring. When I relocated I was surprised to find that most of the clubs in my new area had a classifier at every match. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

^^^This. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Absolutely. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Did you read my post? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not sure where you're shooting but Open isn't necessarily king and DEFINITELY isn't "wiping the floor with" Lim, Prod, or SS shooters in our area. It certainly isn't only Open shooters that are against PCC either. I find it interesting that there isn't more pushback against the eased safety rules that the red-headed stepdivision gets. Also, many of my friends and I are concerned that a shooter that wants to place higher will abandon the work it takes to improve at the more difficult pistol discipline and go straight to the PCC, no reload, easy accuracy solution. If they go to PCC to get a better understanding of the game then pick up the pistol and put in the work then competition benefits. If they pick up the PCC and decide it's so much easier than putting in practice and improving then pistol competition may suffer. Time will tell I guess. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

From 2.4: "At level II or higher matches, Safety Areas must include a table with the safe direction and boundaries clearly shown." Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yes, it has. The DQ anyway, the other particulars I can't speak about because I don't know exactly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Apparently PCCs are inherently safer than pistols too as they can un-bag at a berm, carry around their firearm, and not get a dq. A pistol shooter has one foot touching outside of the safe area that they walked 200yds to get to while bagging/unbagging their pistol and they're subject to DQ. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I believe the intent may be to go the way of Steel Challenge and introduce enough divisions and disciplines to allow nearly every participant to tell their friends that don't know better that they "won their division". Even if that means shooting a rifle in a pistol game. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I only use the AZS app. It still works. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

5' high at shoulders according to setup notes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It depends on the pistol I run them in, specifically the slide weight. In heavier slide 1911/2011 I like the 180's. In lighter (and therefore faster cycling) slide weights I like 200's. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Take material off as you described to prevent an empty magazine from engaging the slide stop then dimple as described above. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It often is as simple as "they are too intimidated". One of the best places for new shooters in my area to start is a weekly local indoor match. The good thing about it is that we are very welcoming and accommodating. We can take time to walk them through a stage before they shoot, give an extensive briefing, etc. The bad thing is that many of the regular shooters there are true A to GM level shooters. A newbie sees them run a stage and thinks they are in the wrong place when they're actually in the best environment possible for rapid improvement. Kinda like a fat kid in a gym. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

^^^Agreed Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'll assume for this discussion that you're a new shooter and haven't been to a lot of clubs. In my experience this very thing happens more often than some folks here would lead you to believe. It's unfortunate that not everyone takes the time and effort to research their stage design and verify compliance, but the fact is that if you get out and shoot a lot of L1 matches at a lot of clubs you'll see deviations from the rules occur with some regularity and with no repercussions from HQ. Is this always legal? No. However, if it doesn't meet with resistance or sanction and reoccurs then I guess the answer to the legality doesn't really matter? In a case where one single stage in an entire L1 match was illegal I'd say there's almost zero chance of repercussion (speculation). If it's a rogue club that consistently and brazenly circumvents the rules then I wouldn't be surprised to eventually see some sort of action taken. I apologize for my original response derailing and your thread. Here are two more quick citations instead of an empty "read the rules" admonishment. 1.1.5.1 Level I matches may use shooting boxes, specify where or when specific target arrays may be engaged and specify mandatory reloads in short and medium courses only. Long courses are exclusively governed by 1.1.5. 2.1.8.5 Appearing scoring targets must be designed and constructed to be obscured to the competitor (during the course of fire) prior to activation. 2.1.8.5.1Level One matches are encouraged but not required to comply with this requirement. The Written Stage Briefing (WSB) may prohibit competitors from engaging certain targets which may be visible prior to activation until the operation of the activating mechanism has been initiated (see Rule 9.9.4) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

So we agree, basically a club can do what they want at a level one match and nothing will likely come of it unless it happens often enough and is irritating enough to the customer that attendance drops or someone in a position of some power makes a stand and forces compliance. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I WISH every club would follow the rules for stage design. The fact is that MANY clubs use volunteers to set up stages and let a lot of things fly because of it. So, while the rules may state that the stage is illegal, unless someone is crying to mommy (headquarters) that the volunteers are circumventing the rules, the club will suffer no sanction and (gasp) will have done what they wanted. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Citations? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If there are "a few level one exemptions" then it's not "TOTALLY false". Maybe a citation to accompany your vitriol? 1.3.1 Match organizers wishing to receive Level II or Level III USPSA sanction must comply with the general principles of course design and course construction as well as all other current USPSA rules and regulations relevant to the discipline. Courses of fire that do not comply with these requirements will not be sanctioned, and must not be publicized or announced as USPSA sanctioned matches. 6 USPSA Handgun Rules, February 2014 Edition Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk