cjmill87 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, DB_Cooper said: What seems to best the most popular guns used in CO? According to the equipment survey at Nationals: 1) Sig P320 X-Five 2) CZ Shadow 2 3) Sig P320 Tie 4) Glock 34 Tie 4) Walther PPQ Q5 Tie 4) CZ Shadow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB_Cooper Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Do you have to remove the mag well on the X-Five to run it in CO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 It won't be on the approved list if the factory specs won't fit the box, as it comes from the factory. My guess will be that after CO guns are modified to an extreme and then wouldn't fit the box as it is, USPSA will adopt a box similar to IDPA, cut out for the dot. They try to do it without a specific box by the production list and limiting additions. But I'm sure some enterprising competitor will push the envelope, kind of the history of us Practical Shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjmill87 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, DB_Cooper said: Do you have to remove the mag well on the X-Five to run it in CO? Yes, external magwell is prohibited for CO (App D7, 22.3 2019 Rules). Edited January 21, 2019 by cjmill87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I'm not sure there's much point to making a 'box beater' CO gun. Sight radius isn't a thing with a dot and most Open guns these days run <5" slides to stay short and light. Likewise you could put on a ginormous dot, but again looking at today's Open guns, big scopes aren't a thing anymore. Maybe you could install giant paddle thumb-safeties, or a huge 'internal' magwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 3 hours ago, shred said: I'm not sure there's much point to making a 'box beater' CO gun. Sight radius isn't a thing with a dot and most Open guns these days run <5" slides to stay short and light. Likewise you could put on a ginormous dot, but again looking at today's Open guns, big scopes aren't a thing anymore. Maybe you could install giant paddle thumb-safeties, or a huge 'internal' magwell. Agreed but when has that stopped the quest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 11 hours ago, DB_Cooper said: Do you have to remove the mag well on the X-Five to run it in CO? Yup. And im not allowed to add one to my Glock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 7 hours ago, shred said: I'm not sure there's much point to making a 'box beater' CO gun. Sight radius isn't a thing with a dot and most Open guns these days run <5" slides to stay short and light. Likewise you could put on a ginormous dot, but again looking at today's Open guns, big scopes aren't a thing anymore. Maybe you could install giant paddle thumb-safeties, or a huge 'internal' magwell. Considering D7 item 7 says “no,” it really doesn’t matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 17 hours ago, pskys2 said: It won't be on the approved list if the factory specs won't fit the box, as it comes from the factory. My guess will be that after CO guns are modified to an extreme and then wouldn't fit the box as it is, USPSA will adopt a box similar to IDPA, cut out for the dot. They try to do it without a specific box by the production list and limiting additions. But I'm sure some enterprising competitor will push the envelope, kind of the history of us Practical Shooters. No box for CO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Just now, Sarge said: No box for CO Sure there is. As seen above. CO guns be on the Production list, which means they had to fit in the box when built with irons. That’s what he was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 minute ago, MemphisMechanic said: Sure there is. As seen above. CO guns be on the Production list, which means they had to fit in the box when built with irons. That’s what he was saying. Then HQ should remove “no maximum handgun size” in D7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Sarge said: Then HQ should remove “no maximum handgun size” in D7 There is absolutely no maximum handgun size for your gun when it shows up on match day covered in bolt-on widgets. But the unmodified iron-sighted gun had to fit in a box when submitted to USPSA for addition to the Production list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 There’s no need to mention a box, cause a CO shooter will never see a box. What ever came before it was a CO gun is immaterial to the fact this thread is about CO. Let’s not confuse people by saying it has/had to fit a box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete627 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 26 minutes ago, Sarge said: Then HQ should remove “no maximum handgun size” in D7 I can't find it now because they have removed the previous version of the rules ... but ... I am positive the "maximum handgun size" field used to say "see special conditions" (which is where the sizing information remains). The new version has changed the wording from "see special conditions" to "no maximum handgun size". Anyone that still has the previous version on their computer can verify this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB_Cooper Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I bet you will some of the new Walther PPQ Match steel frame guns start showing up at matches. https://www.ammoland.com/2019/01/first-look-walther-ppq-q5-match-steel-frame-pistol/#axzz5dLNUaYBI https://www.waltherarms.com/handguns/q5-match-steel-frame/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 @DB_Cooper at $1400 a lot of guys are still going to run an X-Five. It might chip into the number of CZs and Tanfos getting milled for red dots though. The guns being run by guys who are set on heavy steel frames, plus getting a Stock 2 or Shadow2 down to legal weight will total $1400 once you factor in the gun, triggerjob, and machinework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 5 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said: Sure there is. As seen above. CO guns be on the Production list, which means they had to fit in the box when built with irons. That’s what he was saying. There is still no box specific to CO. Also, none of the guns would fit with a 140mm mag. No boxes for USPSA Carry Optics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, HCH said: There is still no box specific to CO. Also, none of the guns would fit with a 140mm mag. No boxes for USPSA Carry Optics. There is... in a roundabout way. There isn’t if you take things literally. This has now been clarified twice in detail. Let’s stop, and move on to more interesting stuff related to Welfare Open Minor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) . Edited January 22, 2019 by HCH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, MemphisMechanic said: There is... in a roundabout way. There isn’t if you take things literally. This has now been clarified twice in detail. Let’s stop, and move on to more interesting stuff related to Welfare Open Minor. I petition we rename it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 21 minutes ago, MemphisMechanic said: Welfare Open Minor. I love when people finally come around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) I have been an advocate for open minor for a decade at least... Open Major,,, anything goes major PF 170mm mags. Open Minor,,, No comps Slide mounted optics or anywhere lasers, 140mm mags,, scored minor. Limited Major... Major PF, 140mm mags, no comps no optics or lasers. 40 cal min for magor... IE exact current limited rules. Limited minor... Scored minor, 45 oz weight limit, fit box, 10 round max mags... This combines,,, SS production and L10 Revolver,,, scored 6 major/8 minor,,, but must use blackpowder and percusion caps prefered. Shooters MUST wear union suit wool longjohns and can be barefoot or wear stovepipe boots. Only belts allowed will be hemp rope. Edited January 22, 2019 by Joe4d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Joe4d said: I have been an advocate for open minor for a decade at least... Open Major,,, anything goes major PF 170mm mags. Open Minor,,, No comps Slide mounted optics or anywhere lasers, 140mm mags,, scored minor. Limited Major... Major PF, 140mm mags, no comps no optics or lasers. 40 cal min for magor... IE exact current limited rules. Limited minor... Scored minor, 45 oz weight limit, fit box, 10 round max mags... This combines,,, SS production and L10 Revolver,,, scored 6 major/8 minor,,, but must use blackpowder and percusion caps prefered. Shooters MUST wear union shoot wool longjohns and can be barefoot or wear stovepipe boots. Only belts allowed will be hemp rope. I think that’s already a division in SASS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Joe4d said: I have been an advocate for open minor for a decade at least... Open Major,,, anything goes major PF 170mm mags. Open Minor,,, No comps Slide mounted optics or anywhere lasers, 140mm mags,, scored minor. Limited Major... Major PF, 140mm mags, no comps no optics or lasers. 40 cal min for magor... IE exact current limited rules. Limited minor... Scored minor, 45 oz weight limit, fit box, 10 round max mags... This combines,,, SS production and L10 Revolver,,, scored 6 major/8 minor,,, but must use blackpowder and percusion caps prefered. Shooters MUST wear union shoot wool longjohns and can be barefoot or wear stovepipe boots. Only belts allowed will be hemp rope. The revolver is spot on. The only change I would make is “limited minor” would be 10 rounds minor and 8 rounds major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 yeh a 10/8 lminor rule would be cool,, but looking at a few big matches, seems most SS shooters do the 10 minor thing,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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