IronicTwitch Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 The new rule change to "Reliable Open" made me get off the fence. Dovetail mount and Burris FF3 on order for my P09. I'll hold on mag extensions for a bit since it's also my production gun. Now can we change the division name?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Welfare Open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 34 minutes ago, Sarge said: Welfare Open Still hilarious. Where do you get such sharp wit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 35 minutes ago, alma said: Still hilarious. Where do you get such sharp wit? Dollar General, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncman Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Sarge said: Welfare Open Where do I apply for assistance? Can I use my EBT card for bullets and powder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 I was thinking of Affordable Optics, but we'd have to change the acronym. Cheaper Optics, on the other hand, would still be CO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddKS Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 That won't work. The optics aren't cheaper. All of the good CO optics cost more than a CMore.GTRO: Guns That Run with Optics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitw Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Broncman said: Where do I apply for assistance? Can I use my EBT card for bullets and powder? If they won't accept your EBT card, you sell it for $.75 on the dollar and use the cash to buy powder and bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) NOOG: Non-Open Optic Gun (Which would make a NOOG competitor a "noogie"?) Edited February 6, 2017 by teros135 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Slide optics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 OTRAOAOG. Optics that really aren't on an open gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 OFTVITRDWTSO. Optics for the visually impaired that really don't want to shoot open.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 ITTIFTIS....I think this is faster than iron sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 hour ago, GrumpyOne said: ITTIFTIS....I think this is faster than iron sites. Good ones, Grumpy, but it's hard to pronounce them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronArcher Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Well, before the capacity change, "Production Optics" would have made sense.Hell, just call it Modified (with or without Optics in the name).Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGus Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 I've heard from several people lately that are considering gearing up for CO because of the mag capacity change. Primarily they are considering it because it's fun to shoot with a red dot and like me, they have no desire to shoot an Open gun. I find it ironic when Open gun shooters rip on CO division, when they are shooting a gun where everything but the kitchen sink has been thrown onto a gun that also holds a crazy amount of ammo, all to make it the easiest gun to shoot for gripping and ripping and burning down a stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, JGus said: I've heard from several people lately that are considering gearing up for CO because of the mag capacity change. Primarily they are considering it because it's fun to shoot with a red dot and like me, they have no desire to shoot an Open gun. I find it ironic when Open gun shooters rip on CO division, when they are shooting a gun where everything but the kitchen sink has been thrown onto a gun that also holds a crazy amount of ammo, all to make it the easiest gun to shoot for gripping and ripping and burning down a stage. How much fun is must be to diss on Open! Seriously, though, it's one of the three most popular Divisions in USPSA and has been around a rather long time. We'll have to wait to see how CO does in that regard. It does look like LARGE MAG CAPACITY is turning out to be a big draw - kind of like Limited and Open, yes? Yes, you can put "everything but the kitchen sink" on an Open gun - that's pretty much what "Open" means, yes? But the idea that you just buy a fancy gun and go around "burning down a stage", think for a minute. Doesn't it still take all the fundamental shooting and USPSA skills to shoot Open? Don't you have to do all the fundamental skills to get through a stage - but now 15-25% faster than you did before (judging by many of the classifier HHFs), because everybody else has access to the same equipment and you're all going faster? Don't you have to do all this without making mistakes (Mikes, no-shoots, FTEs, etc.) because there's less room for error in Open? Think it's easy - try it! It's actually a lot of fun . (BTW, before you jump on this, my first two Level II matches this year are in Production...) Edited February 6, 2017 by teros135 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGus Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, teros135 said: How much fun is must be to diss on Open! Seriously, though, it's one of the three most popular Divisions in USPSA and has been around a rather long time. We'll have to wait to see how CO does in that regard. It does look like LARGE MAG CAPACITY is turning out to be a big draw - kind of like Limited and Open, yes? Yes, you can put "everything but the kitchen sink" on an Open gun - that's pretty much what "Open" means, yes? But the idea that you just buy a fancy gun and go around "burning down a stage", think for a minute. Doesn't it still take all the fundamental shooting and USPSA skills to shoot Open? Don't you have to do all the fundamental skills to get through a stage - but now 15-25% faster than you did before (judging by many of the classifier HHFs), because everybody else has access to the same equipment and you're all going faster? Don't you have to do all this without making mistakes (Mikes, no-shoots, FTEs, etc.) because there's less room for error in Open? Think it's easy - try it! It's actually a lot of fun . (BTW, before you jump on this, my first two Level II matches this year are in Production...) Looks like someone who criticizes CO division is a little triggered from criticizing Open division. And I'm not criticizing Open Div or Open shooters. I'm specifically criticizing Open shooters who criticize CO shooters. You say "There's less room for error in Open." What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 24 minutes ago, JGus said: Looks like someone who criticizes CO division is a little triggered from criticizing Open division. And I'm not criticizing Open Div or Open shooters. I'm specifically criticizing Open shooters who criticize CO shooters. You say "There's less room for error in Open." What? I'll ignore the criticizing and answer the question posed. In my experience (which currently includes Production, Limited, and Open; my most recent match was Production, and I'll be shooting it again next weekend) in Open you can lose position quickly by a single M or NS, against others who are shooting more accurately. It's not just "slinging rounds", it's "slinging rounds more accurately and quickly" than the other guy/gal. The optic and compensator/porting makes the gun faster to shoot accurately, but at higher speeds the errors can come just as fast as the hits. I suspect that will also be the case with CO, where the optic allows for faster aiming and thus faster shooting, but the HHFs and stage times won't allow as much room for second takes on a target as the iron-sight divisions do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Welfare Open Minor. "WOM" is easy to pronounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGus Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 I'm actually not concerned about the explanation of the technical issues of one division vs another. I'm good with all the divisions offered. I like that we have several options. If i don't care to participate in a particular division i don't criticize it, i just don't compete in it. My point is if someone wants to shoot a division, shoot it. If not, don't shoot it and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rub'n Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 I've always thought 10 rounds in any widebody pistol was dumb. Yes....dumb now throw in an optic with a full mag. I'd call it fun! if you wanna do reloads shoot single stack. You know...the one with the narrow magwell. Don't be skeer'd. HaHa.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Actually, we all pretty much have an investment in the sport, and so it's natural to have an interest in what comprises the sport. CO and PCC are new, "provisional" divisions that can change the sport for decades to come, and so we all have an interest in the outcome. To dismiss anyone who doesn't shoot your division (especially a new one) and tell them to ignore it isn't really part of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Welfare Open Minor. "WOM" is easy to pronounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGus Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, teros135 said: I was thinking of Affordable Optics, but we'd have to change the acronym. Cheaper Optics, on the other hand, would still be CO. Isn't your comment above pretty much dismissing all CO shooters? At the very least it's dismissing CO shooters to Open shooters. Edited February 6, 2017 by JGus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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