Gary Stevens Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 I hope the inventor of small primer 45 gets a lump of coal in their Christmas stocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyVey Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 HATE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEH Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Gary Stevens said: I hope the inventor of small primer 45 gets a lump of coal in their Christmas stocking. That's not nice ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 That all I use as then I only need one primer for 9mm, .45ACP and .223/5.56. I use Tula SRM primers and hope they come back before I run out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDA Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 I switched to small primer .45ACP as well, as I also load 9mm, .40, and .38 spec. so I can now just use one primer size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Staff Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I could see the benefits for the 9/40/45 only shooter, but since I also shoot other LP calibers, I hate them lol. Funny was at the range yesterday and a guy was picking up all the SP 45 he could find, he was happy as could be because no one else would pick them up. Thankfully my swage rod on the 1050 will let me know if one sneaks into my batch of brass and I can pull it before things get loud. Although, if I did go all SP 45 I suppose I could dedicate my 1050 to all SP runs, ie 9, 45, 223, and do the others on the 550...the idea has merit. But, I have several K of LP 45 brass. Plus would have to start culling out LP from all my range pickups...yuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker95 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 What 78Staff said. I sold my 44 mag a couple years ago and now only load 9/40/45 so theoretically it would make sense to go 45 SPP and only buy one size primer. But the sorting after match would suck. And so I agree.......45 SPP is the devil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrispies Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Whenever I'm tortured with a SP .45acp brass in my pile, I throw it into a bucket. Some day, at a ripe old age, when I have a sufficiently large pile, I'll load them up. 21 hours ago, Steve RA said: That all I use as then I only need one primer for 9mm, .45ACP and .223/5.56. I use Tula SRM primers and hope they come back before I run out. Steve, after getting over your breaking my heart with a positive statement about them... do you find that SRM's are necessary for the SP .45's? I always use the Winchester primers that are labeled "for standard or magnum loads," so I'm supposing that there's merit to your idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I don't think they are necessary for the .45s or even 9mm (as I don't load to Major with the 9mm) but do for the rifle and so I use them for everything - with no problems. Use 4.2 of Clays (Australian) with a 200gr LSWC for the .45 and 3.2 of same Clays with a 130gr LSWC for the 9mm. I've only got 11K of them left so hope they come back in the not too far distant future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 At one time I had a boat load of small primer brass. I shot some of it up and left it on the ground at lost brass matches. Sometimes some LP got mixed in with the SP, and vice versa, and it was a pain. So I gave all my SP brass away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustybayonet Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I just got done working up a load for my 230 cast/powder coated bullets. I did not find much differance between sp and lp primers. Maybe the faster powder helps? But the biggest problem is seperating them, which I need to do anyways. When I get lazy and don't want to change the 550 primer feed, I just pull out the spp brass and load them as a seperate type of round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlm Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 You can wait til you have 500 to 1000 SP brass in 45 and then convert your press and run them til you are done with them. That is what I am doing. don't quite have 1000 yet. I think that only makes sense if you reload and do not want to waste the brass. IMVHO Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wideload Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I put them aside and give them away. There is a local shooter that uses them for his Steel Challenge loads.Sent from my SM-G925P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Mine are good - SD wise - but I only use one brand of case for every caliber I load so that helps a lot with uniformity. Winchester for 9mm Federal SP for .45ACP Lake City for .223/5.56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xracer Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 I think its funny when I try to load sp into lp cases I do it by hand and try three or four times before I figure it out. Don't like the other way around. I separate the brass and when I run out of lp casings I switch over to sp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canine582 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I vote ------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I've actually bought SP .45 brass (once) and would seriously consider switching over to it, since .45 is the only "LP" cartridge I load, and I load several SP ones...but most of the free .45 brass I pick up at the range is still LP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Staff Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 On 12/22/2016 at 9:21 AM, 78Staff said: I could see the benefits for the 9/40/45 only shooter, but since I also shoot other LP calibers, I hate them lol. Funny was at the range yesterday and a guy was picking up all the SP 45 he could find, he was happy as could be because no one else would pick them up. Thankfully my swage rod on the 1050 will let me know if one sneaks into my batch of brass and I can pull it before things get loud. Although, if I did go all SP 45 I suppose I could dedicate my 1050 to all SP runs, ie 9, 45, 223, and do the others on the 550...the idea has merit. But, I have several K of LP 45 brass. Plus would have to start culling out LP from all my range pickups...yuck. Ran 1K of 45 the other day, had 3 SP pieces of brass in the mix - swage rod detected them easily and I was able to stop and pull out the offenders... Still hate SP 45 brass though lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I'm still waiting on Foley to ban them from USPSA matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 My guess is that everyone will go small primer eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPI Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Glad I stumbled on this. Going to be reloading 9mm, 40 and 45 and got to wondering about primer sizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons1911 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I do like Wideload, sort them and give the away. I didn't know there was a small primer 45 case until I jammed one in my 650 when I started reloading! Does anybody know WHY they make the 45ACP in both primer sizes? Seems kinda odd to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Think they went to them when the NT primers came out. I'd think it would be easier for the ammo companies to just use one primer size. Of course, there are a lot of other calibers that use LPs so might not help much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Off a carpet covered 4X4 for a rest: http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/SteveRA2/PT-1911Target_zps9aa3df47.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 1 hour ago, 57K said: The test I ran was a comparison with a proven load and recorded in my chrono log. I made an identical load except that I loaded in cases with SPPs. The difference was great enough that I just don't think they're worth my time, YMMV. Ammo makers seem to look for shortcuts wherever they can find them these days. I rarely shoot indoors and I only shoot handloads. For the "green" factory ammo that's made for indoor shooting, whatever, I can see some benefit there, I just don't need it. Might be interesting to see what guys shooting bullseye are doing. If they've had the same results I have, I kinda doubt any of them are using SPPs in their match loads. I think some have posted that they see no difference, but like you, I saw a definite drop in velocity comparing the exact same loads substituting SPP for LPP. It's not the end of world though...you just have to bump up the powder charge a bit to compensate. I keep both types of .45 brass, but hardly ever load SP. If/when the next primer shortage hits though, I have the flexibility to load SP .45, at least for a while. If the majority of the free .45 brass I got from range pickups was SP, I'd seriously consider switching to only loading SP. .45 is the only LPP cartridge I load, so it would simplify things if I could just stop buying LPP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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