MissionaryMike Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 For those of you running CZs set on the lighter side, like mine is 11.5# main & 11# recoil, what's your choice of small pistol primer if you're out of the recommended Federal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quack Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 8.5# I'm Federal and more Federal. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bthoefer Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I run an 11.5 hammer spring and it's 100 percent with CCI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 my choice is run a heavier hammer spring and get 100% ignition with any primer, and also to practice double-action pulls so it doesn't make any difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionaryMike Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 28 minutes ago, MissionaryMike said: For those of you running CZs set on the lighter side, like mine is 11.5# main & 11# recoil, what's your choice of small pistol primer if you're out of the recommended Federal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngineerEli Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Winchester, are between Federal, and CCI. I avoid Remington all togeter, they have been inconsistant, in my experience. My experience with a light hammer spring Stock II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionaryMike Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 36 minutes ago, bthoefer said: I run an 11.5 hammer spring and it's 100 percent with CCI. 4 minutes ago, EngineerEli said: Winchester, are between Federal, and CCI. I avoid Remington all togeter, they have been inconsistant, in my experience. My experience with a light hammer spring Stock II. Thanks for the replies, guys. Was it necessary to fiddle a bit w/ the loads, i.e. powder charge or OAL, when changing back and forth to either of your loads w/ Federal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullets Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I actually prefer the remington 1 1/2 primers over the winchester. Have had less like light strikes with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngineerEli Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 The Rem 1 1/2 are softer than the Win's, and possibly even the Fed's (not sure about that), but if you actually read the fine print on them you are technically not supposed to use them on ' high pressure pistol cartridges'. (9mm, .40 both included in the warning) I have used them for 9mm and have noticed moderate primer flow intro my FP hole. I have also had issues with some simply not going off even with a deep primer strike. (one in 20 or 30) Maybe because they are so soft/sensitive I messed something up in them by seating them too firmly, but I have never had that issue with any other main stream primer. I'll finish up the last 500 I have and keep to Winchesters or Federals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) I run an 11.5# hammer spring and it pops CCI and Fiocchi primers just fine with the extended firing pin. Never used Federal primers and zero interest in trying them. Edited August 22, 2016 by Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SV650Squid Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I'm using Fiocchi at 100% with an 11.5lb mainspring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Winchester for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBQRibs Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Winchesters. 18 hours ago, MissionaryMike said: Thanks for the replies, guys. Was it necessary to fiddle a bit w/ the loads, i.e. powder charge or OAL, when changing back and forth to either of your loads w/ Federal? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 23 hours ago, EngineerEli said: Winchester, are between Federal, and CCI. I avoid Remington all togeter, they have been inconsistant, in my experience. My experience with a light hammer spring Stock II. Agreed. One thing I recently noticed with Remington SPP's is the top to bottom dimension. 100 of them won't fit in a Dillon primer tube while Federal and Winchester have a lot of room left in the tube. I was speculating that this was leading to high primers in certain headstamps with shallower primer pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Just now, d_striker said: Agreed. One thing I recently noticed with Remington SPP's is the top to bottom dimension. 100 of them won't fit in a Dillon primer tube while Federal and Winchester have a lot of room left in the tube. I was speculating that this was leading to high primers in certain headstamps with shallower primer pockets. Yes, it is odd that the different brands take up different space when stacked. They definitely are not all the same height Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I have a CZ Shadow custom from CZC with the same springs as in the OP. I typically run Federals but ran 10,000 CCI's recently when I could not get Federals. No problems whatsoever. I had three failures to ignite with 1000 Remington's . The only problem that I have had with Winchesters is they appear to be egg shaped and plug up a Vibraprime regularly. No problems in the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magoo Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I use Winchester small pistol and have never had a problem. About 40,000 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 But I also set my pistol up so it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 #1 Federal #2 Winchester #3 CCI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionaryMike Posted August 23, 2016 Author Share Posted August 23, 2016 4 hours ago, kneelingatlas said: #1 Federal #2 Winchester #3 CCI So from what I've been reading, your #1,2, and 3 seem to generally be the order in which most reloaders regard the ease of primer ignition. However, I just read on CCI's site that its standard primers now have... Improved sensitivity for “critical-need” loading. I wonder if this "improved sensitivity" closed the gap between CCI's primer ignition and WSP, or even Fed's SPP. What at do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 That sounds like a rational assumption, but I haven't bought any CCI primers in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 11.5# hammer spring. No problems with WSP, Rem 1-1/2, CCI 500. No problems with the Rems, 100 fit in the primer tube, no ignition problems, no unusual primer flow (147 gr at 132 PF with TG). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge40 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I would go with winchester for number 2 and thats mostly because I havent really used CCI. They federal and winchester seem to always work for me. Im actually toying with the idea of switching to the winchesters all together for the smaller packaging. The federals can get a little bulky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowenbuilt Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 It seems as though Winchester has always been my second choice when looking for more sensitive primers as Remington's were not always available in this area. As to the 11.5 spring, with either a CZC extended firing pin or a CGW's extended pin with the firing pin notch extended my guns are 100% with any primer I have tried except for the CCI primers made for .223 which I think are stamped out of diamond plate steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 11.5# hammer spring and zero problems popping Fiocchi and CCI primers. No interest in Federal primers. Too many friends have accidentally lit off a stack of them in their Dillons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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